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[00:00:00] Danny de Hek: I’m recording now. We’re live. Rob.

[00:00:03] Rob Woolley: Hi, my name’s Rob. And your name is Ronnie. Oh, not the Hi Ronnie. AKA

[00:00:11] Danny de Hek: Danny. Yeah. No, I’m Danny de Hek. Yes.

[00:00:15] Rob Woolley: Yep. Sorry, we’re starting this video a little bit late because Danny’s head was so big. We had to widen the door to get him in tonight, where I shave my eyebrows.

[00:00:24] Rob Woolley: He, he was in the New York Times yesterday. Was I? Yes.

[00:00:28] Danny de Hek: What didn’t you tell me? You told me. Oh yeah. Sorry. I woke up. Thought it was a dream.

[00:00:35] Rob Woolley: So we are gonna be talking about everything, HyperNation, HyperVerse, HyperFund, Hyper HyperBole, even Hyper HyperBolic, whatever that is. Rhetorical devices, we’re gonna use them all.

[00:00:47] Rob Woolley: But actually what we are gonna do is I’m gonna ask Danny cuz I haven’t been, I haven’t been surfing the Hyper highway of news on what is all up to date on HyperNation in particular. So, Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny, what have I missed out on in the last four weeks? Well,

[00:01:08] Danny de Hek: brace yourself. People are now living in the, in the EcoSystem.

[00:01:13] Danny de Hek: No way. Nah, it’s a joke. . No, that’s such thing is it? I know.

[00:01:18] Rob Woolley: Efi, do you know? Did I heard the other day I shot you? Not I heard the other day. Right? There’s actually many HyperVerses. Even roadblocks, which my daughter plays is actually a not, No, not a, not a HyperVerse. A MetaVerse. Oh.

[00:01:34] Danny de Hek: Well, I think I, I don’t play games at all.

[00:01:36] Danny de Hek: I hate games. And I think the gaming people have been doing the MetaVerse stuff for a long time. Mm. And I think the whole thing is bringing the, the 50 year old plus people into the gaming world, because I actually, when I listen to all the stuff that’s going on with HyperNation at the moment, I actually, it sounds like a game.

[00:01:54] Danny de Hek: And they’ve just bought themselves a ticket for an arcade

[00:01:56] Rob Woolley: game. It certainly does sound like a game. I’m not too sure anybody’s winning from that game so far, but HyperGame. It, it is. Yeah. It’s a hope a it was like a squid game, but without squid. No, it’s like a gambling. Yes. So any, Anyway, anyway, the last, the last I got involved, they, they were trying to get everybody their one X back.

[00:02:17] Rob Woolley: Those people that had invested in HyperVerse, they were trying to get their one X back. And there was something about if you

[00:02:25] Danny de Hek: they’ve, they’ve actually already started paying people back their one X. Did you know that that’s what they’ve come out with? Seriously. Just in the last couple of weeks, they have now said that process has begun and everyone’s going, Well, why haven’t I got any money back?

[00:02:41] Rob Woolley: So my, my understanding was, That you were gonna get paid back your initial investment, which personally I think is totally impossible. I can’t see how they could possibly do that, but has, has that started about

[00:02:55] Danny de Hek: six, seven weeks ago, they said that they will probably do something like produce some sort of coin.

[00:03:02] Danny de Hek: And that probably is actually now the fact, and it’s called Hyper bond.

[00:03:10] Rob Woolley: So you paid cash Yeah. To get your initial membership, but people aren’t actually gonna get paid

[00:03:18] Danny de Hek: back cash. No. They, they’ve decided that they would pay out the rewards in another token that no one knows. And they get this, no one knows the value of this token

[00:03:30] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Right. However you can do things with this token. Like what? Get into the next Ponzi scheme,

[00:03:37] Rob Woolley: which is, Yeah. So let’s let Wellnation or another thing,

[00:03:42] Danny de Hek: So originally well, I spoke to a guy who invested 25,000, Yeah. $25,000 of his U S D T. He now has 200,000 plus HU dollars in his HyperVerse account.

[00:04:00] Danny de Hek: Now they at one point were worth like $7 each on the exchange. I could be wrong, but around about $7 each. Today they are worth 0, 0, 0 0 1

[00:04:12] Rob Woolley: cent. Is this the H V T?

[00:04:15] Danny de Hek: No, this is h u I think. And then there was also H V T. Now I’m not genius on this and I could be saying things wrong, but originally when you went and put $25,000 into HyperVerse, that would give you $50,000 h u and then once, and that would be the, the reward money that grew each day.

[00:04:36] Danny de Hek: And you would get your rewards and then you would transfer your HU into H V T HyperVerse token, right? Then all of a sudden HU started to be worth nothing. HyperVerse Token was also parallel. Nothing.

[00:04:53] Rob Woolley: So HyperVerse token is H V T? Yeah. Yeah, because I know there’s one you can go on, you can have a look online and it’s worth like 0 cent or whatever.

[00:05:06] Rob Woolley: Yeah.

[00:05:06] Danny de Hek: Yeah. So is m o f molecular structure or something, or rather, So basically any coin that’s been associated with Hyper capital, HyperFund HyperVerse has been pumped and dumped, and now they have Hian D. So what’s that? Oh

[00:05:28] Rob Woolley: H

[00:05:29] Danny de Hek: and d. Yeah. And there’s also an h and t now at the moment, people are accumulating, and I could be wrong, but I think I’ve got this right cause it is complicated that people are accumulating HyperNation d in the back end of HyperNation and that hasn’t even got onto the market yet.

[00:05:49] Danny de Hek: So there’s no such coin on any exchange that people are getting accumulating their wealth.

[00:05:57] Rob Woolley: So basically this token or dollar, cuz I know Yeah, right. There was an H and Dation dollar and Aian token, H and t and I think one went on an exchange or was launched when they did the launch or something like that.

[00:06:15] Rob Woolley: But the thing that really interested me when I was watching that HyperNation launch is talking about white papers and yellow papers and basically nothing was gonna be starting until next year. Late, late next year, late 2023.

[00:06:31] Danny de Hek: Can you imagine that You’re an architect and you’re gonna build a house, and then halfway through building the house, all right, nice house, the, the the bank says, Oh, by the way, we haven’t got the plans of the house ready yet.

[00:06:43] Danny de Hek: So that’s the white paper. Mm-hmm. . And then once you’ve got these plans ready, you get an idea of the concept of your house. But then those white papers need to go off and they make yellow. So HyperNation hasn’t even got a white paper yet, so it hasn’t even got a plan of build or structure. And then even if it is like, you know how some designers go far out design and then it goes to the structural engineer.

[00:07:07] Danny de Hek: The structural engineer goes, No mate, that’s gonna cost far too much to build. So that’s what the yellow paper is all about. So,

[00:07:14] Rob Woolley: HIN nation’s clean. If I, if I can interrupt you right there, the one thing that I find re really fascinating is that if you read up about HyperFund and what it was supposed to have done is you read up about HyperVerse and what it was supposed to have done and you’re reading up now about Iation and what it’s planning to do is that it doesn’t really matter what iteration it is, they haven’t done anything.

[00:07:40] Rob Woolley: And yet there was a video where Ryan Zoo was saying that they were, I don’t quote me on this, I could be wrong. A thousand developers working. What have they, what have they done?

[00:07:52] Danny de Hek: Yeah, that was I think Hyper H Cash. And, and was he Well he didn’t insinuate he said he had a thousand people. Mm. That was just December, 2021 cuz he was in Okay.

[00:08:03] Danny de Hek: He was in Dubai with Brenda Ch Cal Patel and Keith Williams. That’s right. And also Bitcoin Rodney. Right. And my opinion, they are HyperVerse and Hibernian and they were the people that I reckon they went to Dubai and they were planning this whole.

[00:08:22] Rob Woolley: Yeah, I, I, well, I struggle with a lot of these concepts.

[00:08:27] Rob Woolley: Yeah. And like, first of all, I struggle with the, the only real thing about crypto involved in any of these schemes is that if you want to get involved, you have to pay crypto, which is basically untraceable.

[00:08:45] Danny de Hek: Yeah. A lot of people come to me and go, Well, why don’t the police do something about it? Why don’t we do a, a high court injunction?

[00:08:53] Danny de Hek: And I just say, They’ve got the money. There’s no proof. It’s, I don’t even know, I mean, you know, you can’t go to court and say, I think they’d have to have proof.

[00:09:04] Rob Woolley: I, I think you’d have to, like, a lot of people are quite critical, and I find it interesting about the regulation and about normal currency, but the advantage with regulation is that people who are investing in anything I protected and with normal currency there’s a paper trail, you know, like, you know, where the money went from one account into another account.

[00:09:29] Rob Woolley: Yeah. The moment that you’re paying anything with crypto, you are paying into a crypto wallet and you have no idea who owns the wallet that you just, deposited money into, like, for example, , anybody who has become a member of any of the, any crypto scheme. Mm-hmm. you don’t like, you didn’t pay into j blog’s account number, blah, blah, blah.

[00:09:56] Rob Woolley: At certain bank you paid into a massive number. Yeah. And you have no idea who owned that number or who had access, you know, to

[00:10:04] Danny de Hek: that number. Yeah. I’d like to go back actually to talk about the people that got stuck in HyperVerse, cuz I know there’s lots of people who have lost a lot of money. So they’ve been playing around with them, basically saying they’re gonna get their one times back.

[00:10:17] Danny de Hek: And if you’re not familiar with the one times theory, it’s basically if you put a thousand dollars in, they’re alleging that you’re gonna get your a thousand dollars back. But they’ve created this coin called Hyper Bond. And the Hyper bond can only be used to gain entry into HyperNation. Now, to get into HyperNation, imagine going to a nightclub and there’s a, what do you call those guys?

[00:10:40] Danny de Hek: A bouncer outside. Yep. And he’s decided to put a cover charge in just getting into the nightclub. So originally they told everyone that they could pay a hundred H U t U S D T to get a passport, which is labeled A N F T, just to get into the new platform. And if they did that, they could bring over?

[00:11:03] Danny de Hek: No, no, they couldn’t bring over. Cuz they had different levels and you could buy a purple NFT for $10,000 or a platinum NFT for a hundred thousand dollars, which mean you’d be a node and be in charge of making some of the big decisions. But the 10,000 NFD holders basically could bring their, their 20 levels over.

[00:11:22] Danny de Hek: And I learned a lot about 20 levels just a wee while ago, which I’d like to share later on. I’m glad you did because it’s amazing and I realize why they don’t care that they’re paying $10,000 for an NFT, but the hundred dollars NFT was like the nightclub the bouncers cover charge.

[00:11:41] Rob Woolley: So my understanding is that there’s a green box and a yellow box.

[00:11:47] Rob Woolley: A purple and a platinum. So just for any viewers to keep up there. Not an expert on this. I

[00:11:54] Danny de Hek: feel silly explaining it cause it sounds like a stupid thing. I know, I know. We don’t, we don’t believe this by the way. We don’t believe this. We’re just repeating what they’re teaching people who are believing it in it.

[00:12:05] Rob Woolley: A hundred dollars U S D T or U S D U S D T I think it is, is the green box,

[00:12:14] Danny de Hek: which no green box I think is 125 or $130.

[00:12:20] Rob Woolley: No, you could be right. You could be right. Is it 300 U S D T? Which is the yellow? No, you’re

[00:12:25] Danny de Hek: getting confused. I’ll explain it. You, you listen. So if you were an existing member of HyperVerse Yeah.

[00:12:31] Danny de Hek: You got a discount and you could get in Basical. For a hundred dollars with a yellow box. And then you could get ready and you’d sit there ready to be on the vessel, as they said, off to the Hyper HyperNation. Yeah. Yeah. And people that had got your ticket, no association with any of the Ponzi schemes beforehand who were fresh, they could buy, They let this green box drop and people could then pay, I think it was 125 for a green box and have the same privilege as a yellow box holder hat.

[00:13:00] Danny de Hek: Except it was a little bit more. So basically, if you wanted to get into HyperNation and you believe that HyperVerse wasn’t a company and you believe that I’m gonna go to HyperNation, you were getting a discount of 20% roughly the cause you had already been in HyperVerse. Okay. I

[00:13:15] Rob Woolley: knew, I knew there was a 20% discount there somewhere.

[00:13:19] Danny de Hek: I’ll tell you that in a minute. Cause you haven’t quite got it yet.

[00:13:21] Rob Woolley: Yeah, yeah. No, I probably haven’t. I, I totally agree. I probably haven’t. I knew there was a 20% discount if you were moving from HyperVerse somehow to HyperNation. But the other thing that really blew my mind is talking about the gamers and the green box.

[00:13:39] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. Is that I heard it suggested by one of the leaders that a gamer would have heard about the Hypo Nation community yet so excited. Mm-hmm. And they’d be going and paying 125 U S D T, which is around about 200 plus New Zealand dollars at the moment to have a. Yeah. And I, no one, no one would’ve a lot if you’re a gamer, you could go out and buy the best game in the world and own it for less money than that.

[00:14:09] Danny de Hek: Well, funny story, a lady I know accidentally bought two yellow boxes and then accidentally. Yeah. And you can only own one per person. And she said, I’ve

[00:14:18] Rob Woolley: made a mistake. And they’re not transferable

[00:14:20] Danny de Hek: too. Yes. Well they wouldn’t even refund her for making the mistake. Classic. Yeah. And I did sort of give her a hard time about why she did it, but anyway, she told me.

[00:14:28] Danny de Hek: So I thought, don’t let the truth get in way with a good story.

[00:14:31] Rob Woolley: No. Right. Excuse me for drinking on online. It is sweltering hot here in the Danny de Heat. MetaVerse. It’s the lighting, isn’t it? Yeah. No’s. Your

[00:14:42] Danny de Hek: aura. So, Oh, is it, It’s good. I’m getting nervous now. Don’t put your hand back. Okay. Alright, so now you’ve got your passport that is basically a cash grab for HyperNation and I believe they were probably trying to keep the mining going.

[00:14:57] Danny de Hek: That’s what they’re doing with the money because the mining for crypto is where I believe they see the value. So this whole exercise is about getting cash to keep the computers going because if you look at a few other Ponzi schemes that are happening at the moment, they have these packages where you can lease a computer of one of these Ponzi scheme companies and do your own mining in She the profit with them.

[00:15:21] Rob Woolley: I think, yeah, I think, I think this is where you and I diverge a little bit. Could

[00:15:26] Danny de Hek: be. Cause it’s all hypothetical,

[00:15:28] Rob Woolley: isn’t it? It is. It’s everything. Hyper is hypothetical is very good. That’s very good. Because I, I, I haven’t seen anything that I actually believe is tangible in any way at all. But yes, there is a possibility that the money has come in to probably set up the development of the MetaVerse and, and also to do mining for other cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin or Ethereum, or, I actually don’t think I know anything more than any, The

[00:16:04] Danny de Hek: whole, the whole across the board of everything we’ve crypto at the moment is unsustainable.

[00:16:09] Danny de Hek: It’s all built on the hype. Even if you go and buy a Bitcoin, it’s all hype. It’s gonna be this, it’s gonna be this, this is gonna happen. If that happens, this happens and everyone’s gonna be rich and live happily raft. Yeah, that’s the stupid part about

[00:16:20] Rob Woolley: it all. Yeah. And have you heard recently about the FTX Exchange?

[00:16:25] Rob Woolley: Yes, I have third la third largest cryptocurrency. Legitimate as legitimate as cryptocurrency can be, has collapsed. And the ecc, I think it’s the ecc, our investigating because apparently the CEO of ftx may have allowed some of the investors funds that came in to be invested on crypto to be used somewhere else.

[00:16:53] Rob Woolley: So that’s the allegation at the moment that is being looked into and

[00:16:59] Danny de Hek: interesting enough, No, not Bitcoin. Blockchain Global has just been in the Australian newspapers about four weeks ago.

[00:17:06] Rob Woolley: Okay. Right. So that’s the one that Sam Lee was CEO

[00:17:10] Danny de Hek: something and the guys that were behind that Sam sort of got out of it, are basically explaining what happened even though they’re not liable.

[00:17:17] Danny de Hek: I don’t know how, but they said that the funds that

[00:17:20] Rob Woolley: people, Okay. Right. So that was a court case, wasn’t it? Yep. Yes.

[00:17:24] Danny de Hek: So the funds that went into the company that were meant to be used for something were actually taken out and used for something else. Right. And that sounds like the same sort of deal. Maybe it’s a common thing you do at the pub with the boys at the cafe mate.

[00:17:36] Danny de Hek: Yeah, . Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:38] Rob Woolley: Yeah. So where we up to? Yeah. Okay. So we were talking about the yellow boxes, the green boxes and the discounts, but I think you were getting to Hyper bond. Yeah.

[00:17:52] Danny de Hek: Interest. So basically once you get through the past, the doorman who takes a backhander. Yeah. We dunno where that money goes.

[00:17:59] Danny de Hek: You go upstairs and they say, Right, if you wanna buy a membership, and I could be wrong here, but I think it’s 400, 800 and 1200. If you wanna buy one of those memberships in HyperNations, you can actually use some of your Hyper bond to get a 20% discount.

[00:18:13] Rob Woolley: Right. And the Hyper bond is the thing that you bought using your funds or whatever out of

[00:18:22] Danny de Hek: HyperVerse.

[00:18:23] Danny de Hek: Yeah. So let’s say that you put a thousand dollars in to HyperVerse and you never got your thousand dollars back. Yep. They will. They are saying that the only thing at the moment that’s on the cards is they are promising those people that they will return their initial investment. So then you get other people that have got their a thousand dollars back and they have reinvested with their profit and made you know, their three times, four times returning their money.

[00:18:48] Danny de Hek: Those people don’t have any choice but to wait for a miracle or another announcement. So those people have converted their leftover funds from hype their hu and they’ve transferred into Hyper bond and that means they forfeit any possibility of getting paid. If they come up with any money from the Burnt Ponzi scheme, they forfeit that opportunity because they’ve decided to cash up on one platform and then move their worthless coins onto HyperNation.

[00:19:16] Rob Woolley: Yeah, yeah. Well, I heard a little bit about this a few weeks ago, so, so just clarify this, if you moved anything, anything at all from HyperVerse mm-hmm. , you are, are deemed to have made a withdrawal of some sort and that’s it. You know, like your one x claim has gone, hasn’t

[00:19:39] Danny de Hek: it? Yeah. I reckon I’ve heard of, and I know this is true, but theoretically, 80% of the worth of what you potentially could get back you forfeit by moving it out of HyperVerse into Hyper bond onto HyperNation.

[00:19:52] Rob Woolley: Excellent. Yeah. The one thing that really confuses me here is I think I’m a reasonably logical person. I think I’m a reasonable thinker here. Mm-hmm. , all of the claims that would’ve got me in if, if I had invested into HyperVerse, which was the three x thing. You know, like ever you invest, you’re gonna get three times your money, or if you went into membership two, you were gonna get four times your money.

[00:20:23] Rob Woolley: For most people, that seems to have never, ever happened.

[00:20:27] Danny de Hek: Well, no, it has happened for the people at.

[00:20:30] Rob Woolley: So you got people Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that small percentage. Yeah. At the top. The vast majority seem to have got nothing out of this, made no withdrawals. All, all those claims basically came to thin air, and yet they’re still

[00:20:45] Danny de Hek: there.

[00:20:46] Danny de Hek: Well, the the worst thing about it, which is really interesting, is the $10,000 NFT, the purple box was sold to all the people who made a shitload of money on HyperVerse. Yep. And they had an obligation to show their teams that they were true leaders. So they levered that to tell all those people, Look, you’ve gotta take, you’ve gotta go spend $10,000 on a purple NFT.

[00:21:08] Danny de Hek: I heard a rumor that a thousand people did that, which is quite a lot. So that’s, that’s was that 10 million I

[00:21:13] Rob Woolley: heard also? A thousand times 10,000 is a hundred million. 10 million

[00:21:20] Danny de Hek: I think could be 10 million. So that’s a lot of money. But when you think this was, Well, funny enough, the New York Times said, that’s one thing I didn’t agree with.

[00:21:27] Danny de Hek: They said that it was a billion dollar. My calculation shows at one point, they say 1.6 people invested in HyperVerse, and at $300 ticket, that’s 4 billion bucks.

[00:21:39] Rob Woolley: Yeah. I. It’s interesting because at some stage, like several, several months ago, there was a figure bandied around when they were moving from the first membership in HyperVerse to the, to Membership 2.0 that in one of those meetings there was a figure mentioned about how, how large the membership in HyperVerse was, and it was in the millions, like, like several million.

[00:22:08] Rob Woolley: And if the minimum that you could invest was $300. Now I, I could, I could be wrong. I thought it was about six or 7 million that they had said were in at that base figure. That’s a hum humongous amount of money. Plus, as, as you’ve said on a few of your videos, and I’ve heard elsewhere, you can, you can, you could have invested far more than that minimum 300 minutes,

[00:22:40] Danny de Hek: right down 23 minutes on your board that you remember.

[00:22:44] Danny de Hek: Okay. Rob knows what that’s all about. It will save him hours of trying to line up our audio. I’ve got to tear that part 23 minutes. Yeah. So the, the con is that the people that can theoretically profit here from HyperNation, and I do honestly believe that HyperNation can get traction is the people that have already made it to do, Yeah.

[00:23:04] Danny de Hek: Because the people, the sales team, they’ve taken the assets out of HyperVerse, moved them over to HyperNation, they’ve all invested 10,000 U S D T, which is 10,000 American dollars basically. And they’ve taken their sales team over there. Now let, let’s explain it really simply about the twen and also the purple NFT holders have 20 tiers and they’re also alleging to pay out 0.7 daily rewards, which is seven times your return on investment.

[00:23:32] Danny de Hek: So layman’s term, you put a thousand dollars in, they’re saying that you’re gonna get $7,000 back over so many days, and I’ve forgotten how many days

[00:23:42] Rob Woolley: its Well, I, I heard that you were gonna get rewards of I and don’t quote me on this. 0.7% per day. Yeah, which would be,

[00:23:55] Danny de Hek: So it used to be 0.5 with HyperVerse.

[00:23:58] Danny de Hek: Yes. And they changed it from, when they changed to HyperVerse 2.0, they changed it from 1.5 to 1.7. Oh, no, they changed it. So instead of 600 days getting three times your investment, they changed it to 330 days before you’d get your investment, which is actually twice as long. So I’ve even getting how long that is?

[00:24:23] Danny de Hek: 600 days. So that’s is, they’re saying it’s gonna take three and a half years, is that right? To get your money back?

[00:24:29] Rob Woolley: Well, to be personally confused, you know, like if there’s anybody out there watching this video who’s in the HyperNation, who, who knows the facts better than us, put them in the comments, you know, like below educate us and educate everybody else because a lot of this is really, really difficult to follow.

[00:24:50] Rob Woolley: Yeah.

[00:24:51] Danny de Hek: Probably for a reason. Yeah. But I’ll make it really simple for you. So Rob decides to I decide to put a thousand dollars into Hyn Nation and then I tell Rob about it. Now, Rob goes, Well, if Danny put a thousand dollars in, I’ll put a thousand dollars in so then I get $200 of Rob’s money. But in, I, I’ll use the old HyperNation HyperVerse as a plan.

[00:25:13] Danny de Hek: Cause that’s what I remember explaining this well the other day. But if I leave my $200 that I got from introducing Rob in HyperVerse, I would potentially get $600 from Rob because I’d comp compound because

[00:25:27] Rob Woolley: of the, Yeah. The three time, The thing that actually brings me onto a thing where I was having a look at, and to be perfectly honest, I can’t remember which one it was, but I thought it was either, either HyperVerse or Hyperion or both.

[00:25:42] Rob Woolley: And it had, there was a 10 tier, Well

[00:25:46] Danny de Hek: let me, let me explain the first. So, so out Rob, I introduce my friend Rob, and I say, Rob, you should invest what I do. I’ve now made $200 outta Rob. So then Rob goes and finds two more. And he says, I’ve invested a thousand dollars. And he tells two friends. So now Rob gets $200 and 200 from his other friend.

[00:26:06] Danny de Hek: I actually get 15 percent from your friends. So now I’ve got 30%. So then those friends decide to go and tell two friends, You get 20%, they get 15%, and the next one down the road gets 20. You know, so I think you told me, I

[00:26:24] Rob Woolley: think it starts at 20 and then 15 and then it decreases as, as you go up the ladder.

[00:26:30] Rob Woolley: But there’s 10 tiers, 20 of rewards. 2010 or 20, which is unheard. 10 years. Well, it’s

[00:26:37] Danny de Hek: unheard and that’s why you get invested in these companies cuz it’s so amazing. It it is

[00:26:41] Rob Woolley: amazing. Almost unbelievable. One might say almost unbelievable. It’s a drown of my drink. But what it meant is that if you invested money and there were 10 tiers above you, that greater.

[00:26:58] Rob Woolley: 50% over half of the membership money that you paid got distributed to all of the tiers above you. Which means that your one x, which might have been, you know, like for argument’s sake, a thousand dollars. Mm-hmm. , after everybody else in that chain had been part, your upline had been paid. There’s only $480 left, I think.

[00:27:24] Rob Woolley: I think there was only like 48% left. So when the company say that they’re gonna pay you back one x, they’re gonna conjure up $520 or 52%. Yeah. From where, because they weren’t trading, they weren’t making any money and they certainly weren’t clawing it back off of your upline either. So it, you know, it’s not like we took your money.

[00:27:53] Rob Woolley: We are holding your money. We haven’t used your money. We are gonna give your money back. Actually, we took your money, we distributed your money to your upline. There was only 48% of it left. But now we’re gonna say we’re gonna conjure up the other 52%, which is pretty impossible since they haven’t been trading.

[00:28:11] Rob Woolley: But wait,

[00:28:11] there’s

[00:28:12] Danny de Hek: more. There’s more. Because if they didn’t take that money out and a lot of people haven’t cashed out of.

[00:28:18] Rob Woolley: HyperVerse. Yeah. Like it would be technically in there

[00:28:21] Danny de Hek: still. So my, my mate that was in the New York Times Mike Lucas, he put 25,000 in and he got 50,000 hu went and bought a whole lot of memberships.

[00:28:32] Danny de Hek: And then that’s compounded. So now he’s got 200,000 of HU in his account. It’s worth nothing. Mm. So if those people that had been getting paid the comp, so the people that were getting all the commission, so, you know, I think you said five 20

[00:28:49] Rob Woolley: I, from memory it was about 52% of, of any member’s investment, if there were 10 tiers above, went off to other people.

[00:28:58] Rob Woolley: So

[00:28:58] Danny de Hek: is’, so a thousand dollars. Theoretically they, they pay out 520 in rewards. However, if all those people decided this is a good thing, let’s leave it in here because this is gonna triple, then it’s even worse. You do it about people that take it out as soon as they get it.

[00:29:15] Rob Woolley: Yeah. And what I’m saying is that once you invested money, a lot of your money went.

[00:29:23] Rob Woolley: But then the company are not only having to distribute your money that went in, but they’re also having to pay all of those other rewards, like the three times or four times. Where was it coming from? Where could it possibly have come from? You know what a

[00:29:37] Danny de Hek: calendar is right. And they have a, they have a calendar and they’re draining.

[00:29:42] Danny de Hek: They’re draining the vietti and somebody’s bashing big frigging holes on the bottom of it, and it’s pouring out. So it just can’t sustain itself. And, and the real, the real silly thing about the whole lot is I’ve said to people who believe they’re gonna get their one X and the company’s done some really good things for people.

[00:29:58] Danny de Hek: I said, How is that process actually going to work? Are they going to send people U S D T and then when they come up with Hyper bond, which is just a token now, I don’t know. There’s another guy called Andreas, and he’s in super one, and he can, you can just basically light up a token and you can say, I could light up a token and say it’s worth $10 a token.

[00:30:20] Danny de Hek: Then I could do a whole lot of advertising and marketing, and everyone’s buying the de heck token. And all of a sudden I say, Well, there’s actually 10 million tokens for sale at $10 each. And then I say to Rob, Look, I’ll let you just have these tokens for a dollar. And you go, Wow. You know, and what are you gonna sell ’em for?

[00:30:39] Danny de Hek: 10? So anyway, you put them on the market. Danny, Danny does a whole lot of marketing, creates a whole lot of hype, and then all of a sudden everyone goes, they’re starting to buy Danny’s tokens. Then all of a sudden Danny says, Well, I’m gonna keep, I know this other guy. I’m gonna keep 55% of all the tokens for myself, and I’m gonna go out here and give them to the, the peasants.

[00:30:57] Danny de Hek: And they’re gonna think there’s a valuable. Then all of a sudden the tokens are now worth $15 a token. And then Danny goes, Well, I’ve got five and a half, 550,000 of these tokens. I’m gonna put them on the market for $7 50. Everyone’s gonna go, Wow, there’s a sale. I’m gonna buy these for $7 50. And all the $15 people are going, We just got ripped off.

[00:31:18] Danny de Hek: You have Mongols and all these other people are grabbing to buy them. And then everyone goes, Oh, it’s crashing. And everyone tries to sell and now the tokens are worth nothing. But in the meantime, the guy that’s got 550,000 of these tokens has just made a shitload of money.

[00:31:31] Rob Woolley: That’s how I see it. Yeah.

[00:31:32] Rob Woolley: You’ve just raised an interesting point there, right? Because as you know, like essentially anybody, right? Somewhere there was talk about you could mine your own crypto or no, no, mint min your own crypto . And of course it assumes that somebody actually wants your crypto. Cuz you know, as, as you were saying, you, you could min the Dehe coin.

[00:31:56] Rob Woolley: Yeah. You know, which I’m sure would be an interesting coin theory will say that what they’re

[00:32:00] Danny de Hek: basically saying is few that Yeah. What they’re basically saying is, imagine if the government all of a sudden said, Well we are, we are gonna be responsible for making all the money and we are printing all the, making all the print, printing press and stamping all the coins, but then all of a sudden we’re gonna let Joe Blog make his own money.

[00:32:16] Rob Woolley: Essentially there is what it is gonna say. And there’s a lot of misleading talk here, Danny, because people were saying that, you know, like some of these cryptocurrencies and stable coins and all this are actually backed up by real physical assets. None of them are right. None of them are. And that’s been historically the big reason why people have got into silver and gold and all these things.

[00:32:42] Rob Woolley: Cuz actually, you know, gold is basically backed up by itself. You know, like if you buy a lot of gold, you own gold. But currency is actually valuable because people want it. People are are earning it, wanting to trade in it, such as US Dollar and New Zealand Dollar or Australian dollar, the Great Britain Prep Pound and Euro.

[00:33:08] Rob Woolley: When you go cryptocurrency, most of the world don’t understand it and don’t actually want it. It’s only a very small fraction. Mm-hmm. , even with Bitcoin and Ethereum and those kind of well known cryptocurrencies, everything else, you’ve gotta ask yourself why even if, even if all this talk about the MetaVerse were true mm-hmm.

[00:33:34] Rob Woolley: why, why do you, why can you only get in with a crypto coin that nobody’s heard of? And, and nobody outside this little group actually wants it. Why

[00:33:44] Danny de Hek: can’t we buy it with

[00:33:45] Rob Woolley: sdt? Is what you saying? Why, Why? No, no. Yeah. Why can’t you buy it with US? Dollars? Yeah. . Because then everybody would have real money that they could go to the shop or, you know, like they could purchase a house with, you know, like whatever it is.

[00:34:01] Rob Woolley: But this is all cryptocurrency. Mm-hmm. . And, and of course another thing that I, I thought was interesting is that why can’t you just buy straight into the Hyper units, the Hyper cryptocurrencies? Why do you have to go into something like U S D T and then go and swap the U S D T for something else?

[00:34:23] Rob Woolley: Because actually U S D T is more sought after than anything that Hyper has ever

[00:34:29] Danny de Hek: come up with. Well, the exchanges won’t let a lot of the coins or the tokens that HyperVerse and HyperNation have. So HyperNation come out and say, Oh, we can’t, we, we are not gonna put this on a main exchange because we don’t, we, we don’t feel that the exchanges are stable and now they’ll use their FX thing as a

[00:34:50] Rob Woolley: That is classic.

[00:34:52] Danny de Hek: Yeah. But the honest, the honest truth of it is that they probably aren’t able to, cause they know it’s a fake. So they use other decentralized, I dunno how this works here, the other decentralized platforms to. The tokens which aren’t on the, the proper exchange like Pancake Swap. I think it’s where you say, Hey Rob, I’m selling a thousand a H hu or hsv I’m putting it on the market.

[00:35:20] Danny de Hek: And then somebody’s got their flag up saying that they will pay so much money for that.

[00:35:25] Rob Woolley: And so, yeah. And it is quite interesting that and I’m not too sure which one it is, but I think it’s H V T initially went up, but you’re actually thinking was that a legitimate increase or is that because it’s on such a small trading platform exchange that that’s been artificially manipulated up because it was only out for a short period of time and now it’s gone, you know, like, well below its, its float price to be literally roughly one, 1000th of what it was initially worth.

[00:36:03] Rob Woolley: Cause you know,

[00:36:04] Danny de Hek: panicking Na, his mate Vivian, they were pumping another coin. I did it, I forgot what it was called, but it’s on one of my videos. And they were basically looking at a graph and they were showing us how this coin had gone up. Pen had gone down. I gone up and down and that coin was with zero 0.1.

[00:36:23] Danny de Hek: So if someone went along and put a thousand dollars. It would spike like, and they’d go look at the graph and I’m going, But look at the amount of money. And they were saying, imagine if you put in, you know, bought something for a 0.1% and it went up just by double, you would get triple double your money.

[00:36:43] Danny de Hek: And I’m going, Yeah. You know, this is the, all this imagining and feel good factor about if, if,

[00:36:49] Rob Woolley: if, Yeah. And like anything around currency is that if you can’t spend it, like you, you can’t take hu you can’t take hv, you can’t take, you can’t even take U S D T as far as I know into a shop and buy anything.

[00:37:06] Rob Woolley: You know, like it’s not legal tender monopoly. Yeah. It, it basically is monopoly. Yeah.

[00:37:12] Danny de Hek: And halfway through the game, the bank has ran out when you’re playing Monopoly and somebody has come along and says, Well, why don’t we use another currency?

[00:37:21] Rob Woolley: Yeah. You we’ll just actually grab some pieces of paper like that.

[00:37:24] Rob Woolley: Yeah. And we’re right out’s brilliant. I denomination on it and pay people out. You know, like it’s, Yeah. I, yeah, it is interesting because right, there’s, there’s so many questions and nobody’s ever come up with any legitimate answers because like, the interesting thing, I, I know the video that you’re talking about just here, about the currency that was going up and down and, and a.

[00:37:49] Rob Woolley: I dunno that it was Apollo. Yeah. But there was one where they were looking at the trends, I’m looking now, and they were saying, this shows or is likely show that it could do this and it could do that, blah, blah, blah. My question was when I was watching that is that why wouldn’t you go and invest in the share market?

[00:38:10] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Because shares of businesses are doing exactly the same thing, but they’re actually tied to ownership in a trading business. You know, like you’re getting a real tangible thing that people want. Oh well there’s

[00:38:24] Danny de Hek: a good subject. Why are people so into crypto? I remember when David there reported from the New York time, he kept on asking me to talk about Ponzi, the Ponzi schemes way back in the 1920.

[00:38:38] Danny de Hek: And he goes, What’s the parallel with Ponzi schemes now? And I go, Well, they’re no different. It’s just a leather layer of complexity. They put, crypto have gone along and said, we put crypto, put the blockchain, put you know, coins and tokens and EcoSystems and MetaVerses in there and confuse everyone and paint them a picture over here that this is gonna be a beautiful story.

[00:39:02] Danny de Hek: And then and then we’ll run it as a Ponzi scheme. Everyone goes, Oh, it’s completely

[00:39:06] Rob Woolley: different. Yeah. I think, I think you are actually touching on a really good point there about confusing people. A lot of it is, yeah, like all, all this language. I don’t even know if you’ve followed half of what we’ve say.

[00:39:18] Rob Woolley: You probably had to have watched other videos to understand half of this, that all of this is so complex to follow. If, if you go and watch any of Danny or my earlier videos, which were about the launches of Hop Nation and how they were explaining things and it was so complex. It was so very complex.

[00:39:42] Rob Woolley: So back in the 1920s when Charles Ponzi first came up with the Ponzi scheme, which was basically, you know, like to take all of these memberships in and say, I’m gonna invest your money, I’m gonna give you x x amount return. And all he did was to hold onto the money. And I think he spent a bit of the money.

[00:39:59] Rob Woolley: And if anybody made a withdrawal was fine, as long as too many people didn’t make a withdrawal at any one particular time. He kept a ledger of how much you invested and he worked out what your account balance would’ve been based on whatever. Return rate that he said you were gonna get. Mm-hmm.

[00:40:18] Rob Woolley: Okay. Right, right. So you had an ledger, the amount of money that you had in your bank with him. Yeah. Right, right. But of course it didn’t exist. And, and when people decided, you know, particularly in the 1920s, the depression came along. Everybody wanted the cash. So they went to Mr. Ponzi and said, you know, can we have our cash?

[00:40:37] Rob Woolley: And of course, Mr. Ponzi didn’t have any cash. Did he go? Cause he had and invested it. He invested it. Did they have Dubai back then? They didn’t. I don’t, I don’t know.

[00:40:47] Danny de Hek: Is that where the slow boat from China, He went off to China, had a slow boat from China.

[00:40:52] Rob Woolley: Yeah, I think, I think when you bring along. A few factors here.

[00:40:57] Rob Woolley: You get people who, who want to believe that there’s a chance. Yeah. The MetaVerse, I’ve heard of that. You know, this is like the new thing. This is the new thing. Gotta get in at the beginning. Cryptocurrency. I’ve heard of that. You know, Gotta get in at the beginning. I’m, I’m clever than ever’s be. Yeah.

[00:41:16] Rob Woolley: Huge returns. You know, I won’t be greedy. I’m not gonna stay in this for 10 years. I’m just gonna get in, ride it up, you know, and jump off the wave at the top.

[00:41:25] Danny de Hek: And the, the other interesting. They use a parallel. They give you an example, they often talk about wealthy people who started with nothing and got something.

[00:41:33] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Their wealth started. The KFC guy, he didn’t earn any money until he was over 60. Yeah. But they often talk about Bitcoin, how it went up to 64,000 I think. And now it’s back down to 16. But they talk about how no one believed Bitcoin and it was worth sense to buy. And now. And now. And then look at it now.

[00:41:49] Danny de Hek: Huh? And then they go, Now look at what we’re doing. Same deal. It’s worth nothing. It’s like, it’s like

[00:41:57] Rob Woolley: a lot, a lot of what pushed, this is me being naive here, but a lot of what I, I think pushed Bitcoin up is when a person like Elon Musk came along and said, Actually you can buy a Tesla with Bitcoin. Yeah.

[00:42:12] Rob Woolley: Yeah. You know, and so, Things like, are the world’s wealthiest man or second or third wealthiest man, whatever he is, are giving legitimacy to Bitcoin. But it’s still not really based on anything and it’s still not mainstream and it’s still not easy to trade. It’s still not easy to get in or get out of

[00:42:33] Danny de Hek: Bitcoin unless you’re well versed and the, you know, like it’s trading from one coin to another.

[00:42:38] Danny de Hek: I had I had money, I bought Sheba in you, which was a coin that was worth, I think it was worth 20 cents at the time, but once upon a time it was worth zero, 0.20 right. And then I bought it because it was going up. Yeah. And I thought I’ll buy it. And then it went up, I think to a dollar. So I like, I think why kind of, I think I 10 x my money, so I only put like, I put a hundred dollars in and then it went up.

[00:43:02] Danny de Hek: So I put another a hundred dollars in I thought went up, put another hundred dollars in and then I got up to $1,200. So I must have got up to a dollar a coin. And then I told Helen about it. She put some in and she still got it in there. Well, she transferred it out when it started to die, but some people made millionaire outta that.

[00:43:18] Danny de Hek: And that’s all I’ve done. Have I made about $400 in my life outta crypto and I got it out, you know. So I think a lot of people use scare tactics and they get into it and they just wanna. Wanna be part of it. You know, the

[00:43:29] Rob Woolley: hyperactive, it’s, it’s the fear of missing out. It’s the fear of having an opportunity that’s right there.

[00:43:36] Rob Woolley: You can get in, it’s affordable. Like this is the thing with a lot of things. These are affordable. Most people have got a hundred, 120 300 barks, you know, like whatever they can gear in like hey and this could take

[00:43:49] Danny de Hek: off. Yeah. And they find a coin. They do a little bit of research. And like me, I was finding only reason I bought, I had a mate that had won’t say they sat figures, but let’s say he had half a million dollars.

[00:43:59] Danny de Hek: He put it in the crypto, it grew to $5 million and that was the figure. Then he took it all out and then crypto started taking off. So he put it all back in again and then he lost 3 million. And that was New Zealand dollar. So it basically went up like a rollercoaster. And he was pretty, I don’t know how to say it.

[00:44:18] Danny de Hek: He’s pretty ched that he was pretty successful and he’s doing really well. But the money he borrowed was his mothers and father’s life savings and he begged them to trust him. So I asked him, you know, do you feel suicidal? And he said, Yes, he wants to end his life. He was devastated. But now he’s actually got $2 million outta crypto and he’s actually now looking back what’s happened over the last year.

[00:44:41] Danny de Hek: He’s actually, I said, You’ve done pretty well for yourself. So you were one of Harry Kerry over there and now look at you. You actually did well getting your money out. Cause you could have lost a whole. Yeah. You know, that was interesting listening to that story. Yeah. a

[00:44:54] Rob Woolley: long time ago about 20 years ago.

[00:44:57] Rob Woolley: I, I was really keen on it, on investing and trying to, because the share market and, you know, not in crypto, Well, there was no crypto back then. Right? Yeah. But the share market, I, I thought, Yeah, like, it’s an opportunity. the.com boom. At that time, everything, Yeah. Everybody had an idea for an internet business, was trying to have an ipo, you, you know, like to launch their company, right?

[00:45:26] Rob Woolley: An initial public offering Dragon heap heap, heaps of money and take off and become yellow millionaire. And a lot of them were really, really successful. Mm. And then it all went bust. Mm. But back then, I decided that I was going to learn all, all about it. So I went and got this massive book, It was a bible of, of investing.

[00:45:49] Rob Woolley: And it was a guy who had, he, he had studied the she market for 20 years. Mm-hmm. 20 years. And you had to read hundreds of pages to learn what he learned, you know, what he learned. is there, there, there are people who fluke companies like Apple or Microsoft or Coca-Cola or anything like that. There, there are legitimate people who become multimillionaires by getting in on good stock before anybody’s heard of it.

[00:46:22] Rob Woolley: And, and, and you just write it up. But what he actually worked out is that for the average investor, the, the best return you could get over the long term was actually stick your money. And the biggest companies, because the biggest companies are the most steady earners, long time. And there are smaller companies that go up.

[00:46:45] Rob Woolley: They fly up, but whatever goes up quick usually comes down quick. And the bigger companies, yeah, it’s not gonna be a huge, a huge return, but it’s gonna be a good steady return. But people don’t want steady returns. You know, Like if you’ve only got a hundred dollars to your name, you know, and someone said, Well you can invest that in getting guaranteed 5%.

[00:47:06] Danny de Hek: Yeah. So this is a good question is why did HyperVerse get such traction? That’s covid. We’re all used to using Zoom. People now are quite happy. I’ve got three meetings this week on Zoom and people are quite happy. To talk over Zoom. And also people were sitting at home thinking, Wouldn’t I quite like working at home?

[00:47:26] Danny de Hek: I would like to have a passive income. So they go out there, sell the passive income story to people, people get involved. And also people are incredibly lonely. They have no one to talk to. And that’s why these communities, that’s why I talked about the parallel of the religious cult. And then you’ve got the parallel of the communities.

[00:47:41] Danny de Hek: But as soon as you stand up to the community and say, I think this is a scheme, they just kick you out.

[00:47:47] Rob Woolley: Toxic positivity. Boom. You would, Toxic. Toxic. I, I’ve watched a lot of your videos and I, and I’ve watched a lot of those online. meetings and a lot of the talk is really positive and it’s uplifting, and it is motivational.

[00:48:05] Rob Woolley: And look, to be perfectly honest, if, if you’re pretty balanced, the last thing you want to hear is a lot of negative talk about anything really. Right. You could go along, maybe you’re not feeling that great. Maybe you haven’t had, you know, great week, but Saturday, come Saturday afternoon, right? We are gonna get that shot in the arm of adrenaline.

[00:48:26] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. . And we are gonna get this ra ra ra ra ra, everything’s great, kumbaya, you know, and it’s a big togetherness buzz. And you’re all on this boat together. You know, your, you’re riding it out well. Well, the Titanic before it hit an iceberg was a fantastic ride. Everybody wanted to be on it when it hit an iceberg, even when it hit the iceberg, people, people didn’t think it was gonna sink.

[00:48:55] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Yeah. There was no big rush to get on our light boat was there bloody cold out

[00:49:00] Danny de Hek: there. See, what, what, what, The real big thing I’m getting at the moment is like, I’ve been listening to last three or four weeks, been listening to Brenda Ch and and Keith Keith has been away and they are basically now saying that HyperVerse is a victim.

[00:49:13] Danny de Hek: They got exploited. They’ve done really well for people who went on the voyage and the on the what do they call that? What we just talked about? Titanic. Titanic. And they’ve had a voyage of a. And they should remember that voyage of Lifetime before it hit the iceberg and killed all those people.

[00:49:27] Danny de Hek: And it sunk to the bottom of the ocean. That’s what she said. Yeah.

[00:49:29] Rob Woolley: The interesting thing was is that for most people that voyage was virtual. Right. It was virtual because it’s not like you had a wallet in your hand. Right. And you put a hundred bucks in that wallet, and then one day it’s 105 and it’s 110 or 115, 20, da da da da da.

[00:49:50] Rob Woolley: All you did, you went online and you saw your rewards that we’re adding out. It was the number on a

[00:49:56] Danny de Hek: screen mate. Is is the Titanic? Cause you think, have you been on a cruise? I, No, I haven’t. Yeah, I went with my mate. It was a bit weird, but I did, It was James. James, my old flatmate last minute holidays. What did we do?

[00:50:06] Danny de Hek: Cruise? We did, We’re on a new year cruise for singles and we , there was about seven people on the ship of two and a half thousand people at single. But what we did, sure we’re on the right video for this, you know, But what, what you do is you go into the casino and everyone wins and everything you do is on your.

[00:50:25] Danny de Hek: and what the cruise ship does, it wants you to have a fantastic time because you’re on the phone back communicating to the, the people in the land. Yeah. Telling them, I’m having a fantastic cruise. Book yourself for a cruise. Wish you were here. Yeah. Book yourself for a cruise. Give us the money and the, and the ship’s going, Well, well, we got 10 more ships lined up here.

[00:50:43] Danny de Hek: We can just keep this going. Just keep booking the trips and paying for it. And in the meantime, everyone on that ship is winning. Winning and winning. But it’s only when it gets to dock and people are at the counter saying, Well, I’ve won. Can you gimme the money? They open the safe and it’s been looted by all the v i p fives, , and then, and then the whole, the, the back office has been stripped beer and they’ve taken all the, the workers, the sales team and said, We’re gonna put them on another ship that’s bigger over here.

[00:51:17] Rob Woolley: Well, that looting there is like, when we come back, you know, like to all those tiers and how much they’re taking off, all the memberships that were coming in you and all, all the rewards. That looting is actually happening. It’s happening because everybody who’s invited you in didn’t do it necessarily for your wellbeing.

[00:51:39] Rob Woolley: They did it for their rewards and if they got enough rewards right, and withdrew something out, because most of these people have been around a long time. This is what I find really interesting now, is that the people or the people that are, are pushing people toward HyperNation and staying on board and being positive are the ones who have made the money.

[00:52:01] Danny de Hek: Mm-hmm. and they’re keeping the hype going, keeping,

[00:52:05] Rob Woolley: they were still selling HyperVerse memberships. Well after all the withdrawal show, like

[00:52:11] Danny de Hek: hello. Gotta tell you a funny one and don’t ask me if this is real cuz it is, but Keith Williams on a video, which is on my Odyssey channel, you can get that from the top of my YouTube and it’s a video I just did because some of the videos I can’t put on YouTube anymore.

[00:52:26] Danny de Hek: So I’m putting them on Odyssey, which is a, on the blockchain and they can’t get them off. Anyway, so there was a video there and Keith was saying 30 minutes in that Keith was saying that he went to Dubai for his holiday and he had a meeting with an old friend that he’d known for 25 years and he was asking him whether, how he felt.

[00:52:44] Danny de Hek: About the last 10 months being in HyperVerse. And this old friend was was basically insinuating that he wish he never left HyperVerse. This is the picture that Keith was doing. Mm, I have Ishmael’s WhatsApp app and I sent him messages and he’s wrote back to me once and I wrote to him and said, 30 minutes in, in this video, Keith, William says that you have got together them with him.

[00:53:09] Danny de Hek: Is it true? And he writes back what? like he just can’t believe it, you know? And I think that’s the stupid things that Keith William will do. He just makes up any story to give them, you know, they’ll just tell people anything. And then same with Brenda J what’s the other one I got the other day from?

[00:53:27] Danny de Hek: Oh, Sam Lee. So I’ve been, if you go to this new thing, the stable DEO thing, there’s five of them on the homepage of the website and they all link off to their LinkedIn profile. So when I was doing my first investigation, I was following all the profiles back looking at, to see the activity that they’ve got.

[00:53:43] Danny de Hek: Sam Lee, which I know I’ve been, I’ve sent him a friend request 10 months ago and I followed his profile. He’s got no activity. It’s just a dead LinkedIn profile anyway, so I got on the YouTube thingy and did a video basically saying that , you know, they promote, you know, talking about their LinkedIn profile.

[00:54:01] Danny de Hek: Next thing Sam Lee accepts me as a friend on LinkedIn. What? And then, and then I get this message, What do you want? ? And I, and then I tell people about, and they go, Are you sure it’s surreal, Sam Lee? And I go, I’ve been watching the profile for so long, and I’m thinking, how silly is this? What I like from that story is the fact that these guys are actually aware, and I’m actually part of the game.

[00:54:27] Danny de Hek: And you are too. We we’re part of the circus performance. I’ve got, I’m the support crew. Yeah. But even like Andreas from one of the other things, he’s threatened to do all sorts of things to me, and then I’ve got another network of people that have been also threatened by these guys. I, I, I just

[00:54:41] Rob Woolley: hope

[00:54:42] Danny de Hek: it’s not gonna happen tonight.

[00:54:43] Danny de Hek: No, no, no. Yeah. No. The killing .

[00:54:45] Rob Woolley: Yes. I , I’m bit squeamish

[00:54:48] Danny de Hek: around, but all these guys are full of shit. They say they’re gonna do this, they threatened this, and it’s just like a RINs and repeat. Like one of them found, Oh, I won’t even go into that one. But I mean, they just, they’ll do anything to keep the hype going.

[00:55:04] Rob Woolley: Yeah. I do find, I do find, you know, I don’t, I, I don’t know anybody well enough to make any judgment on anything, but I have seen things and, and all, all I can do is to say, would I have been involved in any of this from what I. There’s nothing, there’s absolutely nothing that would get me involved in any of this.

[00:55:30] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. , it’s, it’s, I wouldn’t even say it’s too good to be true. It’s just, it just sounds total

[00:55:37] Danny de Hek: nonsense. People think that I’m involved, I’m involved in it. They think I’ve invested in it and I’m sore about it, and that makes me really laugh.

[00:55:45] Rob Woolley: Oh, so this is a whole series of sour grapes? Yeah. This guy

[00:55:49] Danny de Hek: here, I won’t read his name out.

[00:55:51] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Has been locked up and fined for ripping off 120 million of people. And I’ve been, he’s been deleting my messages, but he, I send him my article in the New York Times and he goes, Congratulations. And this brilliant, you know, this guy I’ve been I wanted to come on and do an interview with me, but this is the part that I think that makes it even more, I mean, why would you care what a guy in New Zealand says about you if you were running a genuine

[00:56:17] Rob Woolley: business?

[00:56:18] Rob Woolley: Look, I think, I think there’s a really interesting point there that if, if you became aware of this person, that was highly critical, particularly if they’ve basically extended an invitation, you like, come. And tell your side of the story. Mm. Why would you not do it? You know, I guess there’s a lot of people who don’t really want to go onto YouTube.

[00:56:43] Danny de Hek: Well, this guy but wants to tell his story to me. That’s what he said. I wanna tell you the truth cuz he was originally connected to HyperFund and Sam Lee and Ryan J gave him $200,000 worth of tokens and he was using that to welcome people into the HyperFund and the Hyper capital at the time. Yeah.

[00:57:04] Danny de Hek: Then he started taking cashing, he was defrauding the company. So, and then Sam Lee, cuz there’s pictures of him got and hugging Sam Lee and finished up that he ripped Sam Lee off allegedly. And now but then that’s what Sam Lee says, but this guy says, No, no, that’s not what happened. I want to tell the truth.

[00:57:24] Danny de Hek: So he’s has agreed to come onto a podcast with me on the 17th of month, gone by and now he’s got busy again. But that’s the first bit of communication I’ve got with them.

[00:57:34] Rob Woolley: Here’s a question for you. If, if any of the major players from any cryptocurrency scheme were to contact you mm-hmm. and said, Hey, I don’t agree with anything that you say.

[00:57:49] Rob Woolley: Yeah. And I’d like to set the record straight. Would you give them a fair hearing too? Right.

[00:57:55] Danny de Hek: Yep. And there’s another side of it which people don’t probably realize. I don’t think any of these guys will ever get. I don’t think they’ll ever get prosecuted. I think they’ll get away with it because there’s no, the, the, everyone’s been warned not to get involved.

[00:58:11] Danny de Hek: Everyone’s used a unregulated currency to invest in. They have basically saying, I’m gonna play the game. And they have put their money in. They have listened to people who are liars, cheaters, and thieves. And now they want the government to do something about it. And I think the government said, Well, we’ve got systems in place and if you go onto the ffa, I think it’s ffa, Financial regulated something rather.

[00:58:35] Danny de Hek: Yeah. They put warnings out there and if you go into Google and search, you find me and you . But, but I mean, so why do people do it anyway and then expect people to step in? So then they go, Oh, but that’s not fair. They miss, you know, when I interviewed a couple of people that had taken out their, their pension funds and they had put that into a Ponzi scheme.

[00:58:56] Danny de Hek: Now,

[00:58:57] Rob Woolley: now that got me. I know why they did it. They had, that got me when I, I. That presentation. And unlike you, I don’t mention names or , but you can work it out er, Right. If you , if, if, if you create a video and you basically go out there and, and compare a crypto scheme to a pension fund in a positive way, ie.

[00:59:27] Rob Woolley: Don’t invest in your pension fund, get your money outta your pension fund and go put it in the cryptocurrency cuz you’ll make more money and it’s safer and, you know, here’s, here’s all the, that, that’s, Yeah. I, I can’t support that. And that did make me pretty angry when I saw that because I’m thinking a lot of people who, who, who may be critical thinking isn’t their strong suit.

[00:59:51] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. You know, and Right. And are in a situation where maybe they’ve worked hard or, or their life, they’ve got a bit of money that they can look forward to when they retire. But it is not, you know, like earth shattering mm-hmm. and they get this kind of pseudoscience view of the world, which is basically designed just to get people involved in the scheme to heal with the consequences.

[01:00:18] Rob Woolley: Yeah. I thought that’s pretty low.

[01:00:21] Danny de Hek: Well, I saw panky na, he was preaching that Pension schemes were a Ponzi pension scheme. The pension, the pension was a Ponzi scheme, and he showed us exactly the same. So what he was basically saying that they are a Ponzi scheme and the government’s also running a Ponzi scheme.

[01:00:39] Danny de Hek: And, and then he was using scare tactics to tell people basically that the pension funds could disappear. But at the moment in world history, especially in America, the people they’re preaching to, I’ve never seen anyone the government saying, Sorry, we’ve used all the pension funds. Yeah, no one’s getting paid out,

[01:00:54] Rob Woolley: but it just doesn’t happen.

[01:00:56] Rob Woolley: You know, like there is a thing called a haircut, you know, which Yeah. Enough, which doesn’t, has got no use for me, wasn’t it? The most, talked about part of my hairdressers. Right. And that’s in the, in, in the most extreme economic event. You know, e even investments in a bank can get shaved. Right. And the most extreme thing, it’s called a haircut, but that basically, I, I don’t know they’re ever.

[01:01:26] Rob Woolley: Mm. You know, because a lot of the banks are, are supported. There had been little bank smaller banks that did collapse, you know, like well, and some larger investment agencies. But generally speaking, if you, you had a look at legitimate mainstream investment institutions and how often they collapse compared to a crypto scheme.

[01:01:48] Rob Woolley: You know, we are talking multiples. More crypto schemes are going to fall over than any legitimate investment agency. Well

[01:01:55] Danny de Hek: Sam’s stable deo they have on the front of their webpage that they’re part of Citibank.

[01:02:03] Rob Woolley: Right. And I’ve heard of Citibank. I think that’s reasonably big

[01:02:07] Danny de Hek: bank. 13 biggest bank in the world.

[01:02:09] Danny de Hek: Wow. And people I know have contacted Citibank go, Hey, you guys involved in a Ponzi scheme and would you believe they’re not? But the fact that they’ve got the bulls to go out there, they’re basically telling whether they’re unstoppable, which is amazing. Back to our Ponzi scheme for a second. Before you start,

[01:02:26] Rob Woolley: before you wait, before you see is one thing here.

[01:02:29] Rob Woolley: I will say that in the, in the last few weeks, months that I’ve been watching your videos and other. Crypto related stuff, man, I, I’m really dubious about many websites that I go onto, even emails and it’s actually made me double check anything online.

[01:02:50] Danny de Hek: I got the scam twice in the last month, and I’ll tell you the second one that I haven’t told you yet.

[01:02:54] Danny de Hek: The pension fund guy, now this is the people were saying, why do these people invest in these Ponzi scheme even if it looked shady? Surely they must have been just greedy. Now, I won’t say the names, but the two people I spoke to basically didn’t, like you said earlier, didn’t have much money for their pension fund.

[01:03:11] Danny de Hek: And I, and one of them was on a sickness benefit, really sick. And I think that these guys outta desperation take their 20, $30,000, put it into this get rich quick scheme, hoping that this is gonna, the opportunity to have a bigger nest egg. Yeah. Because $20,000 ain’t anything to live on. And 60,000 that’s a bit better, but it’s still, and I think it was outta desperation rather than out of, you know, greed.

[01:03:38] Danny de Hek: Well, when I started my journey, I thought everyone was greedy bastards and they’re just trying to triple their money and they don’t care about the people they’re stealing it from because they know it’s a pon. . But when I’ve seen it happen, like the guy I spoke to, one comes to mind, It’s the one in the article actually, and he he said to me, he said, No, I just trusted it.

[01:03:54] Danny de Hek: Cause a friend that he doesn’t, who’s ghosted him now, who also would’ve imagine this, You come along to me and I said, Give me your $20,000. You just got paid $4,000 you could take out straight away and put it in your back pocket. And you know, you’re just gonna be mates with you until you realize I’ve scammed you.

[01:04:12] Danny de Hek: And then you’re gonna say, don’t want else to do with you. That’s what’s continuously happening. I,

[01:04:16] Rob Woolley: I think there’s like two possibilities. One is the endless possibilities, but there’s two definite possibilities here, right? There’s people that are completely naive about what a realistic return on investment is.

[01:04:31] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. . And just basically if you are in a, a major head fund, hedge fund 15 to 20% is a fantastic return per annum. Heard that the other day, by the way. Yep. But the other thing, the other mentality is the mentality of a gambler. Right? And the gambler doesn’t mind having risk because they want the buzz, right?

[01:04:55] Rob Woolley: Yep. 20,000 sure thing. Pension fund, no buzz. There’s no risk, you know, and. Like 20,000 may or may not be a lot of money depending on what your circumstances are and what country you’re in. But if someone came along and said, We can give you three x or four x, now there’s a bit of a buzz. And now they’re thinking, well, 60,000 or 80,000, or, there was one scheme that I saw, 10 x mm-hmm.

[01:05:24] Rob Woolley: and I’m like 10

[01:05:26] Danny de Hek: x, it’s ridiculous. I saw 10 x in seven days.

[01:05:32] Danny de Hek: honestly, I’m reading this scene. I’m, cause I’ve got a list of 50 like Ponzi websites and I went through them all one day. It’s actually in my videos again, I think 50 plus Ponzi schemes, scam demo, blah, blah, blah. And one of them I got to, and I’m reading it, I’m reading it twice and it says you can put in $50,000 and get 10 extra money in 10 days.

[01:05:54] Rob Woolley: Just to flip this around the other way,

[01:05:57] Danny de Hek: Do you wanna know the address? No, no. Danny to

[01:06:02] Rob Woolley: flip this around the other way. Okay. Is there, if, if you are getting 3, 4, 5, 10 x, somebody’s paying you that like, like it’s not coming from nowhere. Someone is saying if, if I can lend right, Right. If I can borrow your money,

[01:06:21] Rob Woolley: Okay. Yeah. But Right. Cause that’s essentially what it is. If I can borrow your money, I can use it somewhere else to be, to get some amazing return. Right. Which I couldn’t get without your money, Right? I need your money, but I can get some amazing return. I can get, like if I’m paying you three x, I must be getting four or five x.

[01:06:43] Rob Woolley: Mm. Okay. And I, I’m gonna pay you so much money because I’m getting such massive return. We haven’t seen anything that any of these crypto schemes are doing. Any business activity.

[01:06:58] Danny de Hek: However, Hyper bond, no one knows the true value of Hyper bond. But apparently that Hyper bond may enable you to be able to buy a planet.

[01:07:10] Danny de Hek: Planet, and then you can chop your planet up into sellable portions and sell that to people. That’s what’s fantastic, because that’s, but no one knows the value of,

[01:07:18] Rob Woolley: Is Elon Musk involved in those? No. No.

[01:07:21] Danny de Hek: Mars, I tell you, I watched a video of Elon Musk for an hour and a half the other day, and it was one of him just recent.

[01:07:27] Danny de Hek: And it was, he was talking about something interesting about how he’s got Twitter now, which is quite funny, and how he’s gonna, And I actually went to pay $8 to be on Twitter. Because he said something that if you pay $8 verified with a blue tick Yep. You are gonna be, your content’s gonna be preed over people who don’t pay.

[01:07:46] Danny de Hek: Yep. Yeah. And, and also he said that for content creators like ourselves that he’s actually going to make it, that their videos are monetized and they get So I, the way Elon has grown everything else, I think Twitter could be another alternative to YouTube. Yeah.

[01:08:04] Rob Woolley: I, I we just lose our channels for YouTube.

[01:08:06] Rob Woolley: Well, well those two brothers are looking. Marcus Brownlees, who, who is a major YouTuber and he, he was talking about Twitter and Elam Musk, has he been on the New Times? He, he probably has been on New York Times. In fact, Marcus Brownley that actually visited the Tesla company and had an interview with Elam Musk.

[01:08:29] Rob Woolley: So this was actually an interesting insight. Does that

[01:08:33] Danny de Hek: ones in front of the glass screen? Cause I think I might’ve watched that.

[01:08:36] Rob Woolley: There was a glass screen there or something in, in that video.

[01:08:40] Danny de Hek: Was it for Covid for another reason? I can’t remember that.

[01:08:43] Rob Woolley: Oh, I just, yeah, no. Yeah. I don’t know. Cause I thought they were walking.

[01:08:48] Rob Woolley: That’s a good point. I thought they were walking along side Byside. Maybe that was Preco. I don’t know, but mm-hmm. .

[01:08:54] Danny de Hek: Anyway,

[01:08:55] Rob Woolley: Elon, well, will you take Elon Musk? Yeah. And Tesla. Okay. Right now, Tesla had to borrow a huge amount of money to get their giga factories up and going, and their robotics and their electric cars and their battery technology and all that.

[01:09:14] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. . Right. And a lot of people invested. None of those people who invested millions of dollars, billions of dollars piss expected three x, four x or five x from their money. Right. And Elon Musk, who, who was taking that money, who was using that money to develop a massive company, never promised three, four or five things for their money, but he’s still got investors.

[01:09:41] Rob Woolley: Why? Because it was legitimate. Not without risk. Yeah. Not without risk, but it was legitimate. And

[01:09:50] Danny de Hek: I, I, you know, like somebody posted a comment on one of my thingy today, basically saying that Elon Musk’s, Tesla’s is a Ponzi scheme. And I’m reading this. And I said to my mate, Steve, I said, Why would they say that?

[01:10:04] Danny de Hek: Like, why is that a Ponzi scheme? It’s

[01:10:07] Rob Woolley: not a Ponzi scheme, but, but Tesla and Amazon have, have in common that they actually got floated on an idea. Mm-hmm. and for a long, long time wasn’t a profitable idea. Yeah.

[01:10:21] Danny de Hek: Amazon’s amazing for their story, isn’t it? Cause that was. I, I had did a website for a guy once who seriously wanted me to produce a website to take on Amazon

[01:10:31] Danny de Hek: Yeah. I took, I did take his money and then he hired a girl that was to load up all the books he had at the time. And I, and I go, This is not gonna work. But anyway, we did have a Amazon Go .

[01:10:43] Rob Woolley: Yeah. And I think, I think the interesting thing there though is that when those, when those companies floated the first time, a lot of people were investing on hope.

[01:10:59] Rob Woolley: You know, they were backing Elon Musk, they were backing Jeff Bezos that it was gonna take off, but it was actually based on legitimate business dealings. Yeah. You know, there was a tangible factory. There was something that you, if you turned up at Amazon or you turned up at Tesla, you could see where your money had gone.

[01:11:21] Rob Woolley: You turn up at, where is HyperNation , if you wanna visit I Asia, Where do you go? It’s there, mate,

[01:11:30] Danny de Hek: see that’s it’s there. That’s Keith Williams just coming home

[01:11:34] Rob Woolley: and it’s, it, You can’t even email it. Well,

[01:11:37] Danny de Hek: you can’t call it up this picture behind us. Actually, that was been playing. You can’t even see the MetaVerse.

[01:11:42] Danny de Hek: Well, there’s there mate.

[01:11:43] Rob Woolley: Well, apart from

[01:11:44] Danny de Hek: that one that picture there is actually made by a company called by Dan Studios. And we must give them credit for it. If you go onto HyperVerse today and watch any of their promo videos, they are actually using that same video that you see behind me. Now, the people that made that video contacted me because they also wanted to know who was behind HyperVerse because they wanted to sue their asses off.

[01:12:13] Danny de Hek: Sorry, Robs going. You do

[01:12:14] Rob Woolley: channel or mine? I’m, I’m yours, .

[01:12:19] Danny de Hek: No, but they they’re lovely people because they haven’t, they seen what I’m doing and they, and it’s still online. So if a company

[01:12:27] Danny de Hek: has blatantly copied somebody else’s material to give people a representation of the MetaVerse and, and just blatantly done it.

[01:12:36] Danny de Hek: Now, there was another company called another company I’ll talk about. They went to a company called Fantasy. Now, Fantasy is a high end company that does prestigious sports and things, isn’t it? Yep. Yeah. And they do amazing. They stole their video off their YouTube channel, remixed it, telling the world that fantasy is so proud to have this new company on board.

[01:12:59] Danny de Hek: And they like prestigious companies. And they basically used this video like they had produced it and they didn’t know anything. And the young guy I interviewed about three weeks ago, contacted Fantasy and said, Did you know that this company has been using your video and remixed it? And they went, Oh my God.

[01:13:18] Danny de Hek: They didn’t know about it. So then they tried, it was on Vimeo and it’s still on Vimeo today, and this company owns the video that’s been remixed, Can’t get it off. And the guy’s still using it. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, yeah. So is that un It’s unethical, but I think what you just said about Elon Musk, even Amazon, Amazon’s probably the one that people could say, Oh, we don’t know if it’s actually gonna happen.

[01:13:43] Danny de Hek: but it happened. But you still Yeah, but you could still see where they were gonna, they were spending the money,

[01:13:48] Rob Woolley: right? Yeah. And if you go back to when those started, you know, like there’s a massive capital investment, capital investment, if you don’t know, is where like you’re not actually making your product.

[01:14:00] Rob Woolley: You are, you are making the building that you might make the product in infrastructure. Is it? Yeah. You, it’s, it’s the infrastructure. It’s like, Yeah, like you might wanna debate bread, right? Your, your main thing is gonna be the oven and the tables, you know, where you’re gonna mix all the dough, you know, like in your mixes.

[01:14:21] Rob Woolley: But the massive money is building the, the factory, the trucks, transport the stuff. Yeah. All, all that stuffs

[01:14:29] Danny de Hek: in it. And the knight were

[01:14:30] Rob Woolley: the shops who are gonna sell. And while they were building all that, they, they were hemorrhaging money, like Ely hemorrhaging money. But they are doing it in a, in a way, they’re trying to build it as fast as they can to get the in infrastructure up as fast as they can, and in the scale that they need to actually produce a product that’s going to be able to pay all the money back.

[01:14:56] Rob Woolley: The thing with all these cryptocurrency, I was gonna say what naughty word there, but is that you can’t see anything. You can’t see the developers, you can’t see. The the MetaVerse, you can’t see the income. All you can see is memberships, NFTs, cryptocurrencies, and, you know, it’s all virtual.

[01:15:22] Rob Woolley: Everything’s virtual. You don’t even know who’s the Elon Musk who put together HyperNation. Mm. Who’s the Jeff Bezos that put together HyperVerse? Yeah. No, it’s great. Who, who? You don’t even know who’s running

[01:15:37] Danny de Hek: it. And if you watch the amount of videos I have, I actually see them in these leadership meetings saying this may happen.

[01:15:43] Danny de Hek: Or what could they, what they could do is perhaps they will bring out this, or what they could do is this. And then

[01:15:49] Rob Woolley: it’s almost like they’re throwing out a line. Right. And what could happen is the bait. And they’re seeing how many people on this, on this meeting bite on it. Oh, that seemed to land pretty good.

[01:16:01] Rob Woolley: Right. We’ll use that and then corporate

[01:16:03] Danny de Hek: implement it. Yeah. And I think Who’s corporate? Well, corporate the people. I believe it’s Keith Williams. Now, you said that ages ago. Yeah.

[01:16:11] Rob Woolley: I, I did not say anything like that. You said,

[01:16:13] Danny de Hek: I don’t say anything. I do not. I never have thought there’s a corporate, but I never even believed that Sam Lee and Ryan Drew was behind it.

[01:16:21] Danny de Hek: And honestly, it blew me away when Sam Lee. Turned up a about three or four weeks ago. That’s why when he’s alive, I saw

[01:16:28] Rob Woolley: Sam Lee on a few interviews. He looks quite clued up.

[01:16:31] Danny de Hek: Yeah, I don’t think

[01:16:32] Rob Woolley: so. I’m, I’m not too sure that I, I’d actually given him any money of mine, you know, like,

[01:16:37] Danny de Hek: well, when he said, What do I want?

[01:16:39] Danny de Hek: I was sitting there going

[01:16:41] Rob Woolley: 1 million. Well, somebody somewhere said what you want,

[01:16:46] Danny de Hek: So, Yeah. Oh, wow. So yeah, I don’t know. But I think I, I originally looked at Sam Lee as somebody who was theoretically thrown under the bus because whenever I saw him on an interview, it was always talking about the blockchain blockchain global in his company.

[01:17:00] Danny de Hek: And he never actually really see the word MetaVerse, or, Well, I did talk about, I don’t think he did, but never mentioned HyperVerse or HyperFund. It was never. And then one day he said it, and I’m sitting there go, Oh my God, he’s actually admitted, he’s connected to it somehow. And then I thought, Oh, well, maybe he’s not been thrown under the bus.

[01:17:14] Danny de Hek: Cause even in the, even in the HyperVerse opening he popped in as a guest speaker on a Zoom call. And he never, he talked about the blockchain. It was like he was asked to go along to a presentation and do a talk about how the blockchain works. And he’d come along and then all of a sudden he was wrapped around this virtual world he couldn’t see.

[01:17:32] Danny de Hek: And they were doing a presentation about a Ponzi scheme. But then when I saw him come out with stable Deo sitting there thinking, Oh my God, what’s this guy doing? He’s coming out of hiding. Now why do those, those. , Why don’t they keep their heads down? Like theoretically, Blockchain global alone had taken 15 million from Australian investors and they’ve taken the funds outta that and done something with it.

[01:17:53] Danny de Hek: Now he must have got some of that money. How much money do you need to keep your head down and shut the up? You know what I mean? And then same with Keith, Keith, William. Oh, not Keith Williams ish. Patel. He’s in Dubai at the moment.

[01:18:07] Rob Woolley: I will, I don’t know. I don’t know. And I don’t know whether any of these people have done anything untoward.

[01:18:16] Rob Woolley: All, all I know is that what they’re doing and what they believe in and what they advocate for certainly isn’t anything that rings true. Well, it’s not anything that I, I can look at and grasp with my reasonably logical mind and say, Yeah, that sounds good. Let’s jump on

[01:18:39] Danny de Hek: board. Yeah. So why do people jump on board?

[01:18:41] Danny de Hek: That’s probably the biggest question. I, I, I, as I said to you before, before we started recording, I think HyperNation is gonna get traction. I think this because Yeah,

[01:18:51] Rob Woolley: now you did say that. And, and to be perfect, to be perfectly honest I, I reckon for any American viewers, it’s, it’s about 110 degrees in this room at the moment.

[01:19:02] Rob Woolley: Yeah,

[01:19:02] Danny de Hek: it’s pretty hot. We

[01:19:03] Rob Woolley: can open the window. My weight loss program is skyrocketing ahead. But you’re talking about HyperNation? Mm-hmm. . I, I have to say, from what I’ve seen, I, I am so turned off by it that I, I can’t, like, I, I just cannot fathom that anybody would be involved. I say that for a couple of reasons because when I first started watching your videos several months ago now, in fact, it is quite a long time ago when you started these Yeah, I think

[01:19:37] Danny de Hek: 10 months.

[01:19:37] Danny de Hek: I saw something flash up today and I was thinking, Oh my God. Is that 10 months ago? Yeah. I can’t remember what it was, but I’m thinking, I suppose it is really,

[01:19:44] Rob Woolley: I, I was listening to, like, I, I didn’t actually know who they were, but it turns out that it was Keith Williams and Kpe Patel and I. Very charismatic presenters, to be perfectly honest.

[01:20:01] Rob Woolley: Didn’t buy a word of what they were saying. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Yeah. Not that I knew anything about it, it just wasn’t anything that resonated with me that I would want to get involved. But I did think very good presenters and quite motivational and inspirational, Almost aspirational that they Yeah. But making claims that I thought, Wow, that’s, there’s pretty, I think, pie in the sky stuff.

[01:20:27] Rob Woolley: But now, like when I hear the Hian stuff, I think there’s nothing there. Like, there’s nothing at all that would get me, Well, not

[01:20:40] Danny de Hek: even get me involved. There’s another layer though, and that’s the part that makes me think this will work, which is

[01:20:45] Rob Woolley: I think people are chasing losses. I, I think they’ve, they’ve made an investment and there’s a cognitive bias at play here that I think that people, Yeah, that’s a big word.

[01:20:55] Rob Woolley: Can’t spell it. Yeah. But only just say it, but there’s a cognitive bias here that if people have made a decision and have spent money, they don’t want to admit to themselves that they made a

[01:21:07] Danny de Hek: mistake. Yeah. I can’t, I struggled to get people to interview who had lost big money. I had a guy that lost 180 grand.

[01:21:13] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Like,

[01:21:14] Rob Woolley: like if you, if you are going to, if, if you’ve lost money, I’m, I’m a gambler, unfortunately. But I know that if I’ve lost money, the last thing I wanna do is to admit that I made a mistake gambling. Mm-hmm. . And I think that people who have lost money

[01:21:32] Danny de Hek: don’t want to admit it. You did win on the Melbourne Cup.

[01:21:35] Danny de Hek: I

[01:21:35] Rob Woolley: did win on the Melbourne Cup. I had a dollar each way on the second and third horse. $11.

[01:21:39] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Gosh. A lady.

[01:21:41] Rob Woolley: Today’s stoked I one $12.

[01:21:44] Danny de Hek: Actually, Rob’s gonna, he’s talking Hold Rob accountable of you want to hear Rob’s version of the Melbourne Cup? That’s brilliant. I want him to do a, a YouTube video.

[01:21:52] Danny de Hek: I’ve never heard anyone tell her a story about the Melbourne Cup. And if you dunno anything about the Melbourne Cup did you know that the, it’s the race that a lot of horse people don’t want to be in because there’s handicaps in the, the best horses that have previously won all the races actually are weighted down

[01:22:09] Rob Woolley: and, and usually never raced in the Melbourne Cup.

[01:22:12] Rob Woolley: Melbourne Cup is actually a horse race. It’s, it’s probably as famous in AEAs as, as the Kentucky Darby or eps and D is elsewhere.

[01:22:22] Danny de Hek: But I worked on a supermarket once and it was busy. And then when the Melbourne Cup come on, it was. Everyone was watching the Melbourne, the race that stops the nation. It does, It does.

[01:22:31] Danny de Hek: Anyway, what we saying, Oh, so HyperNation, why will it get traction? Right. Why do I say we’ll

[01:22:35] Rob Woolley: get traction? Yeah. Because I, I think the only thing that I’ve seen that it’s got going for it is so many people that have lost their money in HyperVerse have got that little hook, which is whatever their and I don’t even know what you’d call it, their rewards or, or, or their balance in HyperVerse.

[01:22:54] Rob Woolley: And they’re thinking, Well, if I stay in HyperVerse, HyperVerse is dead. So this is worth nothing at

[01:23:00] Danny de Hek: all. And there’s nothing sure in life about, there’s no sure. Investment in

[01:23:03] Rob Woolley: life. Yeah. But if I can use this some way to get a discounted NFT box going into HyperNation, well, I might as well do that because then I haven’t lost everything.

[01:23:17] Rob Woolley: But actually I think you have lost everything. It’s, And you are spending good money after bad. That’s, that’s my view. But you, you mm-hmm. , you reckon you’ve got a different take on this? Yep.

[01:23:28] Danny de Hek: It better be good. Well, the NFTs are all at the moment being marketed. So I bought NFTs, I bought a comic, I stayed up to three o’clock in the morning.

[01:23:36] Danny de Hek: I sat there with my phone. I went bye bye bye bye bye. And there was 60,000 comics. Sold ’em two minutes. And I got one that one $7 comic. Went up to 30 bucks and I could have put it back, but I hang onto it. Mm-hmm. . And these are NFTs. I finished up, I bought a ultra rare come the other day that at one point would’ve been selling for $1,050, and that today is worth $18.

[01:23:59] Danny de Hek: And I paid 22 for it because, So there’s two things happening at the moment. You’ve mastered

[01:24:05] Rob Woolley: this investment

[01:24:06] Danny de Hek: strategy, right? So HyperNation is spending untold money on billboard advertising. Well, they

[01:24:14] Rob Woolley: were. No, they are. Oh, they are. It’s

[01:24:17] Danny de Hek: going, I’ve got photos of my phone of pretty nark standing in front of a a billboard in the train station with the, the big hitchhiker guide.

[01:24:26] Danny de Hek: So Hitchhiker

[01:24:27] Rob Woolley: of the stars. Yep.

[01:24:28] Danny de Hek: So all these young gamers, because if you look at any of these videos that you’re watching, everybody in those videos is 50 and above. Yeah. Crypto is for young people who know better than the rest of the world. Why aren’t these young people embracing these Ponzi schemes?

[01:24:43] Danny de Hek: Because us older people are trying to catch up with the te. I don’t think so. But so now they’re attracting people who wanna buy NFT. Now if I was at a railway station, or I was at Times Square, cause they had one of these in Times Square, I think it was a million dollars. Ah, yeah. All right. I would look at this thing and go, What is this hitchhiker of the stars?

[01:25:03] Danny de Hek: And I can come in here and I go to the, the sea queer, It’s a C platform, like an exchange. Ah, yeah. Yes. And you can buy NFTs and behind the NFT there’s a, a MetaVerse plan structure membership. But I can buy this NFT if I want to, and people will think, Oh, well, a hundred bucks, 120 bucks. I’ll buy this. And now there’s Billboard advertising in countries that I didn’t even know HyperVerse were pushing.

[01:25:32] Danny de Hek: Mm-hmm. . So just like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, they used to go in bible bash in New Zealand and Australia and America and all the European countries, they now go off to the third world countries. And I, I just got an email today from a really serious lady who’s gonna be in my podcast and she is been fighting these Ponzi schemes in Ghana.

[01:25:55] Danny de Hek: And all those poor third world countries are actually the ones that are hopeful and they’re desperation. Just like my mate who put $20,000 of his pension fund in there. That’s all he had. He was desperate to get rich. He knew he is not gonna retire much on $20,000. I might as well throw it and see if I can get three times the investment, make it 60,000.

[01:26:15] Danny de Hek: that was his gamble. And the same with these Ghana people were people in these third world countries. So Ds Amy, he traveled to nine. He did a world trip, but he only went to nine countries. He doesn’t know there’s more than nine countries in the world, are they? Hmm. He, so he was on a campaign to get, go at all these third world countries and he was in Ghana preaching HyperVerse.

[01:26:33] Danny de Hek: Okay. So you’ve got, and I reckon all this billboard advertising will introduce people to buying a simple NFT. They will get brainwashed into thinking that there’s more to it. You know, there’s a bigger picture. And I, because it’s like these leadership meetings, I watch them, they flog, they flog something about three weeks earlier.

[01:26:53] Danny de Hek: The next week they talk about it again. And then the, the, the following week they announce it as an actual, and in the meantime everyone’s got groomed along the way. And I think that repetition is NFT training, I don’t know, are still there. What is it A fluff? No, that’s a bit of fluff There. Go. People will see that.

[01:27:14] Danny de Hek: And I think this is a poor low quality production. He a bit of hair there, low quality. It might have grown. We’ve been going for a while. It might is really, it might have grown while we,

[01:27:23] Rob Woolley: I

[01:27:23] Danny de Hek: think it’s grown. It’s fallen off. It was long, It was more fluff than pun. Right. It could have come out from somewhere.

[01:27:30] Danny de Hek: Okay. Yeah. So I just think that well, they’re gonna go to a different audience with the same rinse and repeat if,

[01:27:36] Rob Woolley: if you, if anybody is still watching this. And seriously, you need a life if you’re still watching this. But if you are, I watched a video the other day and it was Mark Zuckerberg. Who’s he?

[01:27:50] Rob Woolley: Facebook. He’s got ceo. He, yeah. Yeah. They, they’ve actually changed Facebook’s name from Facebook to Meta.

[01:27:58] Danny de Hek: Oh. That proves that the MetaVerse is real. Well

[01:28:02] Rob Woolley: actually, this, this is the interesting thing that I thought was really fascinating mm-hmm. , that they are making, making a massive investment in the I probably did, but I meant they, they are making a massive investment in their MetaVerse.

[01:28:20] Rob Woolley: And this is the whole thing, ladies and gentlemen. So who MetaVerse? There’s not a MetaVerse. Did I just take the, these MetaVerse is, this is the whole point. And when I was listening to Mark Zuckerberg, they, they are making this MetaVerse where basically you could, well, , go watch the video. But I, I will tell you my very naive version of it mm-hmm.

[01:28:43] Rob Woolley: and that is that you can actually go into the MetaVerse, and I think they were talking about headsets that you can wear so that, you know, there’s what augmented reality and virtual reality, and you can actually walk around and interact with other people in the MetaVerse. But what, what I thought when I watched that is that this is a, a proper virtual world.

[01:29:10] Rob Woolley: That Facebook, one of the biggest companies in the world are investing millions, if not billions of dollars into Yeah. That you need these expensive headsets. They’re two expensive, yellow for most people to have at the moment, but they are available for other things, for games and stuff. But even, even if HyperNation had to think about which one we’re up to, even if HyperNation was real, real, even if this was all legitimate, what’s their platform?

[01:29:41] Rob Woolley: They’re competing. Yeah, I know. They’re, they’re not on Facebook’s universe. They’re competing. So you, you’ve got this. Does Rodeo Drive, Right? Right. There’s massive street with all of these massive companies on, Right, Who are all getting on the MetaVerse, you know, the virtual world platforms, they’re creating their own right.

[01:30:09] Rob Woolley: And this little tiny thing called HyperNation, Oh,

[01:30:13] Danny de Hek: it’s disgusting.

[01:30:14] Rob Woolley: It’s supposed to be creating own MetaVerse to be of the same quality. To have NFTs, to have planners, to have virtual real estate. There’s gonna compete. And this is the

[01:30:26] Danny de Hek: whole thing. And they have got three months to come out with a white

[01:30:28] Rob Woolley: paper.

[01:30:30] Rob Woolley: Well, they, they’ve got, I thought that the yellow paper, which is the actual technical

[01:30:37] Danny de Hek: made up bullshit, totally made up

[01:30:38] Rob Woolley: bullshit stuff of how it’s gonna work, doesn’t even come up for a year. How far, how far along is Facebook gonna be by the time the yellow paper comes out?

[01:30:49] Danny de Hek: And the thing about Facebook, I mean, it’s more common sense for Facebook because I mean, you were talking about Amazon and we were talking about tester and those companies growing.

[01:30:57] Danny de Hek: And then I was gonna say to you, which I didn’t, which I was gonna say now, is what tech company can you think of that may have piled a whole lot of money into something and never. Eventuated. I mean, like Microsoft, I, you know, did they, how much money did investment did that take? Did it grow like snowballs?

[01:31:11] Danny de Hek: You know, is there other platforms out there and Facebook’s or Instagram or whatever they are, they’ve got a good story to tell now. Zuckerberg’s been going for 20 years,

[01:31:21] Rob Woolley: I think. 2006. Yeah,

[01:31:24] Danny de Hek: I think, yeah, it was 2003 or 2006 was a quiz question. I was quite surprised. 16 years. Yeah. So look at what that, what they have learned along the way, and if anyone’s gonna pull all this and what are they actually be posing to do?

[01:31:37] Danny de Hek: Like you said, it’s like a, a virtual reality game. Yeah.

[01:31:42] Rob Woolley: It’s not, Well, I, I think the key point for anybody who, who’s a little bit confused out there, and hopefully everybody’s confused because if you’re not confused with Danny and I, then we don’t really know what more we can do. But the thing is, is that it’s not like hy how, how to,

[01:32:04] Rob Woolley: It’s not like HyperNation are actually buying into Facebook’s MetaVerse. HyperNation are creating their own MetaVerse. Yeah. Competing with Facebook’s one. So who’s gonna go on it? No one’s gonna go on. Cause everybody’s on,

[01:32:21] Danny de Hek: there’s an elephant. You can’t hear it, but there’s an elephant that just screamed.

[01:32:24] Danny de Hek: So what, what’s happening here? Ladies Newman, no one’s talking about the elephant of the room and HyperVerse Hasn. Any hi nation hasn’t got any infrastructure or any plan. They have just told people nothing. Yeah, nothing. And if you have guys, I’m sorry, but please come on my, we’ll come on your podcast and tell us what you have got.

[01:32:44] Danny de Hek: Oh

[01:32:44] Rob Woolley: no, this is your video. I’m just here to help you. Oh, you don’t want this one now?

[01:32:47] Danny de Hek: No. .

[01:32:49] Rob Woolley: I don’t wanna go anywhere near my name’s. Not even Rob. Rob. Yeah. It’s something else. You, you just, just make it up. I’m an avatar. I’m not even a real person. I’m a figment of Danny. Mention You’re

[01:33:03] Danny de Hek: Mr. H, you’re everyone, you’re the alpha in the, the aome of, of and talking about Mr.

[01:33:08] Danny de Hek: H. Can you get this? He’s going to the, he’s going to the uk. Have you seen that lady video? Where did you show me He was somewhere. He was I looked at it, it was a green screen, but he’s meant to be, ah, in a couple of days time tuning up on London Bridge. And they’ve got, Cause I, one of the videos I missed the most and I did take it off my YouTube channel cause I pinched all their videos and I didn’t wanna get in trouble Is You

[01:33:28] Rob Woolley: shouldn’t say that.

[01:33:29] Rob Woolley: Scrub that out.

[01:33:30] Danny de Hek: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it doesn’t, well they can’t touch me now. I didn’t touch cause I take them all off. See, Oh my God touched me. But was the one of Mr. H You’re not real. I chopped up 80 videos. I downloaded 80 videos of Mr. H and I chopped them all up and put them back to back. And then I played them all on one big sequence.

[01:33:46] Danny de Hek: It took 45 minutes and you could hear Mr. H’s voices mannerisms. And with those videos I found out there was. Mr. Hs and the one that is going to UK is looking completely different and talking like a Mickey Mouse clown. So now I’m saying there’s five. So, and then they come out and I, after I did my video, next thing Meek minute, he they start saying that Mr.

[01:34:10] Danny de Hek: Hs, everyone and Mr. H can be anyone. Yeah. So that’s how they’ve everything. I, I don’t think they’ll listen to my videos, but Mr. H, if you are, I wouldn’t mind an autograph, but it’s a bit bit

[01:34:22] Rob Woolley: weird. Yeah. Or a free mask. He, he, he, he would look better in a mask. Mm.

[01:34:28] Danny de Hek: But it is, it is. I just think so the, if you

[01:34:30] Rob Woolley: think you would look better and a mass, leave that in the comment below.

[01:34:34] Danny de Hek: All right. So if you took a motion out of the whole Ponzi scheme, Hibernian Hyper, well you wouldn’t be in it. You wouldn’t be in,

[01:34:41] Rob Woolley: Well, like you wouldn’t be in it because Right. There has, has to be a motion that’s gonna drive you to want more money. What’s honey? Okay. Yeah. Right. Because they reckon money on itself isn’t a motivator, but what you can do with the money.

[01:34:58] Rob Woolley: So people out there must have all these big plans of what they’re gonna do with the money that probably you are not going to get and, and I hope you didn’t have big plans Yeah. To do anything with the money that you were investing because you may not get that back. All

[01:35:17] Danny de Hek: right. So the, the interesting thing here was something interesting, which I didn’t mention before about the guy that put his pension fund in there.

[01:35:23] Danny de Hek: He initially put $2,000 in and then, then somehow he saw the money in the back end growing. He said he didn’t take, try taking it out or didn’t even know how to get his money out, but because it was growing, he could see the interest. Then he built faith in the system and then he put it all in. And I, that’s a typical telltale sign for any Ponzi scheme.

[01:35:43] Danny de Hek: People test the waters with a little, That’s why they have a $300 membership plan to get you warmed up. And then you see, So my mate, Mark Gardner, which I do mention because I talk to him on the phone, even though we yelled at each other and anyone tells me I was horrible to him. He tells me that he put five grand in, got his five grand out and the, the leftover money he reinvested.

[01:36:03] Danny de Hek: Yeah. And he reckons he’s now got a hundred and I think he said 150 or 180,000 hu in a HyperVerse.

[01:36:13] Rob Woolley: I. I would be really interested to know if any of those people were to either come on your show or, or to leave a comment and the comments section below. That’s what it’s for by the way, you know, like to be part of the conversation.

[01:36:28] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Is at the time when you realize that this investment of yours was growing, but at the time when you realized, actually I may never see this money, what did they think? Like, what was the feeling that they experienced at that time? Because like if you had say, $2,000 in your bank account and you had been saving in there mm-hmm.

[01:37:00] Rob Woolley: Is, is your mentality different? Cuz you know, that’s real money, you know, like, you know, that’s proper currency is because if I went to my bank and they wouldn’t let me have my money if I wanted to take it out, I think I’d want to. In fact, I can’t actually say what I think I’d wanna do to a teller who told me that.

[01:37:23] Rob Woolley: But I, I think that, I wonder if it’s different between, because a, it’s not real currency. It’s, it’s virtual, it’s online. You can’t actually see the teller who’s saying you can’t take your money. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I wonder if that changes the mentality because I’d be, I’d be fuming. I’d be fu must get really frustrating, I suppose they’re, you know, kind of sees it all now.

[01:37:52] Rob Woolley: But on those meetings when, like, if you had a question about withdrawals that weren’t happening right. You basically got shut down and told you a negative, Fantastic. I

[01:38:01] Danny de Hek: got, I can’t email or message from some lady today and she was telling me that they’ve been trying to stop these third world countries.

[01:38:09] Danny de Hek: I can’t find it from, you know, getting involved in Ponzi schemes and she’s gonna come on my podcast. She’s told me that they have tracked 11 people that have committed suicide from being involved in Ponzi schemes and lost their money. And that’s just what they’ve found. And people, you know, and I

[01:38:26] Rob Woolley: think people need to stop there.

[01:38:29] Rob Woolley: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11. Real people. Yeah, real people. That’s not just a number that’s real. People ended it, wish you could find it because of how they

[01:38:48] Danny de Hek: felt. So it is just you know, and,

[01:38:50] Rob Woolley: and, and that’s what you are saying. You know, I, I imagine if, if those figures of how many people were actually involved in HyperVerse in particular, which I, I can remember hearing that figure would be astronomical.

[01:39:04] Rob Woolley: How, how many people, you know, like,

[01:39:08] Danny de Hek: well they say one and a half million and that’s not our stats, that’s theirs. But then they talk about these multiple account things. So I don’t know. Those multiple accounts are individual people, but theoretically each one of those accounts couldn’t be in created unless somebody put in 300.

[01:39:24] Danny de Hek: And this is the other thing I don’t know about, but theoretically, if I, because at one point I’d come along to Rob and say, Look, I’m gonna gift you a free membership to hyper. I

[01:39:34] Rob Woolley: still don’t understand how that

[01:39:36] Danny de Hek: works. Yep. So I give you a thousand dollars membership. Yeah. And you sit there and you look at it and then it compounds.

[01:39:43] Danny de Hek: Yeah. And then when you get a thousand dollars on top of your thousand dollars account, you take that out, you withdraw it out, and you give it to me for the free membership,

[01:39:55] Rob Woolley: however, Oh. So I give you back your investment.

[01:39:58] Danny de Hek: Yes. So it’s free, no risk until you. So you win. And then after that point that you’ve paid back the, you’ve got nothing to lose, but I needed your name on.

[01:40:08] Rob Woolley: Ah. And then they would win because they would end up with their money back from that person. Yep. Plus they would get 20% as well of that membership. No, it gets trickier. And if that person who, who they gifted the membership too, actually drew anybody else, brought somebody else in, they’d get another 15%, et cetera, et cetera.

[01:40:35] Rob Woolley: Is that how it looked like?

[01:40:36] Danny de Hek: Now you work the mass out on this, and this is pretty complicated for the folks that might not follow it, but I said to somebody the other day that, Well, they were giving these free memberships and I, and what they could, they couldn’t get, They froze the money so people couldn’t get their money outta HyperVerse.

[01:40:50] Danny de Hek: However, you could buy new memberships with hu So I’d go stay there. Don’t know. Got it. They’re right. Just stop it. Me. Okay. So I couldn’t get my money outta HyperVerse, but I could go and buy a new membership with my money, my rewards

[01:41:08] Rob Woolley: that was in

[01:41:08] Danny de Hek: there. Okay. However, you could only, which I got told you could only use 50% of that money.

[01:41:14] Danny de Hek: And that’s where the Hyper bond is getting similar. Right. And

[01:41:16] Rob Woolley: then you had to put extra and to top it

[01:41:18] Danny de Hek: up. Yep. But then I put in 500, I got a gamble and go, Well, if I wanna give Rob a free membership, I’m gonna use 50% of my. Boom. And I’m gonna use 50% of my U S D T. Now I’ve made a shitload of money in HyperVerse.

[01:41:32] Danny de Hek: I’ve got lots of usdt sitting there. Yeah. I don’t mind forking out money. Now I go to Rob and I know Rob’s a good boy. He’s gonna go and refer somebody else to it because Danny gave me a free account and he’s pushing me cuz he’s gave me something free. You go sign up somebody else for a thousand dollars, I get 200 back.

[01:41:50] Danny de Hek: But in the meantime, time is traveling on your accounts. But

[01:41:54] Rob Woolley: you get 200 back because you created one for me as well. You get 15% of the

[01:42:00] Danny de Hek: next person. That’s right. Yeah. And that’s where the 21 account structure I think worked because you’d be the one, you’d create 20 accounts. And this is what, you know, we did a video of Cal Peach showing his 77 accounts and how he’s merging accounts down.

[01:42:14] Danny de Hek: But he was just strategically putting people in his team. So he was creating a team of 20 people and then he was putting people he knew would build these teams in the right places. Yeah. So then Rob is a, I rob, like I own a business networking company and I’ve got 1500 people that own my networks. Now I’m, I’m, he knows that Danny’s good at networking.

[01:42:35] Danny de Hek: So Danny goes out there and recruits 50 people right on the set. The first level, it’s just an eight brand and that’s why I think there’s 10,000.

[01:42:45] Rob Woolley: So if you were giving free memberships out, essentially what you’re doing is your, you, you could be. Getting a person involved who wouldn’t normally get involved because either they haven’t got the money or they don’t wanna risk their own own money.

[01:43:01] Rob Woolley: But you’re saying I’ll give you free membership. Yep. You can go online, have, have a look at how much your rewards are adding up. Yep. And if you go and recruit, because basically they’d be not the first here, but the second tier, the people that they got in, if they got seven people in right, then that’s essentially a whole new membership as well.

[01:43:23] Rob Woolley: Seven times 15%.

[01:43:25] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Yeah. But there is a, there is a floor to it, which I hadn’t figured out, I’ll be honest. And that is when the funds were frozen, you wouldn’t be able to get your money out so you wouldn’t be able to pay me back.

[01:43:37] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Well when the funds are frozen, everybody

[01:43:39] Danny de Hek: loses. Yeah. But then Rob goes, This is stops.

[01:43:42] Danny de Hek: At that point, this is a good thing. I can see the money in here and I wanted to accumulate it. Cause a lot of people tell me they never tried to get their money outta HyperVerse. . I’ve got people who mail me now saying they’ve never tried.

[01:43:54] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Well, at, at the start.

[01:43:56] Danny de Hek: So then you find money from another place to pay

[01:43:59] Rob Woolley: it.

[01:43:59] Rob Woolley: Withdrawn. But it wasn’t stopped. I mean Right. The withdrawals stopped, but they weren’t like ceased forever or that’s, that’s what the story was. Mm-hmm. It was, you know, Oh, well they’ve run into those problems, I think with the multiple accounts. Yeah. But, but no, it’s not over. They just need to work this out and then everything will be started again.

[01:44:20] Rob Woolley: Cause I think that was the original story, I think.

[01:44:23] Danny de Hek: Yeah. So there was was another take on that as well. Obviously there were gifting memberships and then that would, like you said, people that wouldn’t risk wouldn’t get involved, but now they’re in it, then they went selling it. But I think worldwide, people at the top weren’t having their accounts frozen.

[01:44:42] Danny de Hek: Because I, if I was, if I was HyperVerse and misdirect and had a mask and I didn’t know, like, anyway I would look at the people that were generating the, the newbies and

[01:44:54] Rob Woolley: I would let, I think if you were at the top and you had multiple accounts, only one of those accounts would be a vi.

[01:45:02] Danny de Hek: true. And they might have done things like, when we don’t know v i P four s and VI P five s can keep withdrawing.

[01:45:08] Danny de Hek: And they would’ve looked at the incoming money. And honestly, I’ve been watching all these videos and I remember one of them, I’m watching the ques going, Oh, I’ll just withdraw it again. Oh, I’ll withdraw it again and withdraw four times a day and I’m not having a problem. And I think the guys that were bringing in, the people could still withdraw.

[01:45:24] Danny de Hek: Mm-hmm. . And and I think and also I do believe it would make common sense that if you are a newbie, you the formula for them to run a successful Ponzi scheme, like any Ponzi scheme, they need people to rave about it. So people who’ve put in, say you’ve got your thousand dollars account, the first withdrawal you do, their main goal would’ve been to let that money go out.

[01:45:47] Rob Woolley: What you gotta remember is that that would draw The withdrawals stopped supposedly because of the multiple account

[01:45:55] Danny de Hek: issue? No, but that’s what they said.

[01:45:57] Rob Woolley: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that’s what they said. Yeah. It doesn’t make any sense to me at all. Cause it shouldn’t really matter who has the accounts or how many accounts they have.

[01:46:09] Rob Woolley: Yeah. You know, if, if the system was set up correctly and you’d think anybody who had any NAS who could be trusted to be, you know, like an executive in any scheme would’ve set it up, you know, like

[01:46:22] Danny de Hek: correctly at the start. Well, you think about it, the formula is quite simple really, isn’t it? Let’s say we’ve got a hundred people and a hundred people go out there and they all invest $300.

[01:46:30] Danny de Hek: Mathematically speaking, the people that pay the 350% of those people will probably try to take their money out and see if it’s real. They satisfy them, they get them some money out. Now out of that 50 people, probably 40 of them are gonna be active people and they’re gonna recruit other people. So those 40 people are probably all, let’s say 40 people are gonna bring in two people.

[01:46:49] Danny de Hek: That’s 120 people. So now we’ve got 120 people. So that grows and outta that 120 people, now we’ve got 50 people that will generate another two people into the scheme.

[01:47:00] Rob Woolley: I I, I think the key thing here is that as that was growing, that fell over really fast. They realistically, how long did that go? Because I think HyperVerse started what,

[01:47:14] Danny de Hek: in December?

[01:47:15] Danny de Hek: Well, I think they got the traction with hyper. So HyperFund was really cool because HyperFund was when, Cuz this is why I think Keith Williams is Top Dog. HyperFund was really cool. Well, HyperFund was there to fund the crypto was really cool. Yeah. So Keith Williams and another lady, Amanda Lee who’s an Australian bloody Australians, they were in a Zoom meeting with a hundred people in it and they were chuffed that they had a hundred people in their Zoom meeting.

[01:47:41] Danny de Hek: But now these Zoom meetings in the Hyper community are a thousand plus an overflow room, normally 1800. And they, it’s quite impressive I to say. Well it is. And then you’ve got other groups. So you had the other, the to Tobi show they had, see this is when it gets really, if you wanna listen some real clever shit, it’s called that.

[01:47:57] Danny de Hek: There’s Troy, there’s David, and there was another guy called Marcus. And they were big fans of pushing HyperVerse and they were back in it when it was HyperFund. Then when all the funds got frozen, they actually went on to Keith’s meeting and they got to ask him the question and they were saying to Keith, why there’s another HyperNation and there’s HyperVerse over here, but they’re two separate entities.

[01:48:21] Danny de Hek: And Keith’s going, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, they’re all the same, blah, blah, blah. And they go, No, they’re two separate entities and HyperNation doesn’t want the the debt of the verse. This is the linger they were using. And that made a lot of sense. I can’t remember why I started this conversation now, but the oh, that’s right.

[01:48:39] Danny de Hek: When Keith Williams got made global sales representative for HyperNation, they basically, those three lads with the AIR show decided to tell people it’s time to diversify. And they told everyone that Novatech is the new Ponzi scheme and they were stealing the community from Keith and other people, and they were coming.

[01:49:03] Danny de Hek: They ran a meeting that had 5,000 people in their Zoom meeting. Really? And that we, two days later, then Keith Williams got announced as the global sales representative for HyperNation, and they put a name to the face, so to speak. Yeah. Thinking. And I realized then I’m thinking, Well, Ashley, this isn’t about, this is about the community.

[01:49:24] Danny de Hek: And the community is the ones, the sales team, these are the ones that spread the height. This is the most important asset that any of these Ponzi schemes have got. The

[01:49:32] Rob Woolley: thing that I worked out is, is that the, the idea behind the community, Okay. Yeah. Is that when, when your MetaVerse starts, all that community go in and become virtual people in the community.

[01:49:54] Danny de Hek: Yeah.

[01:49:54] Rob Woolley: Which means that if, if you are selling it to somebody else mm-hmm. , right? Who, you know, like you say, you know, like come along and be part of the MetaVerse, you know, as if there’s only one MetaVerse. Of course, you know, there’s not, but there’s a community that’s already in there. You know, they, they’re going, you, you’re not walking into an empty street or an empty town or an empty city or anything like that, Right.

[01:50:21] Rob Woolley: The community, i, i e the users are already in there. But of course, the interesting thing with Hyper notion is that all these people have no idea and no real interest of being in the MetaVerse. Right. Nobody’s, In fact, I have never even addressed that. You have never addressed that,

[01:50:40] Danny de Hek: was that, that no one’s got interest

[01:50:41] Rob Woolley: in me.

[01:50:42] Rob Woolley: That whole community had been created supposedly, as far as I understand Yeah. Had been created that when the MetaVerse actually is open for business, you go in there. Yeah. You know, like you log in and, and you would go in there presumably with your headset or however it is that you interact with the MetaVerse.

[01:51:03] Rob Woolley: You are in there. So when new people are, are enticed to come into the MetaVerse, it’s, it’s populated. Yeah. It’s gone.

[01:51:13] Danny de Hek: Yeah. It’s the keys to the house. They’re selling the keys to the house, but there’s no house to put the key.

[01:51:18] Rob Woolley: Well, they’re supposedly selling the keys to the house, but there’s already people in the house aren’t, You can take a room.

[01:51:24] Rob Woolley: Yeah.

[01:51:24] Danny de Hek: Interesting enough though, this is the thing that really got me all the way along this, this reminds me of one of those below deck things and they’re doing the talk about the, his, the, the series. It was, and this is what I feel like our discussion like, but you don’t, I dunno if you watched Below Deck, but it’s such a funny No, I’ve never watched it.

[01:51:40] Danny de Hek: Oh, it’s a sailing yachting show. And they have rich people go on these yachts and they sail around and then they all have all problems on the boat and people hook up together and people have arguments together and then they get together at the end of the show where everyone hates it. I’ll tell

[01:51:53] Rob Woolley: you what, there’s a MetaVerse that’s gonna take

[01:51:55] Danny de Hek: off.

[01:51:56] Danny de Hek: So my, my argument is these guys were actually selling the, the dream of the MetaVerse, but when they are in all the meetings, they’re talking about how to sell the tickets and they keep, and also the MetaVerse was something that you wanna invest in because it’s gonna be, this gonna be that. It is,

[01:52:11] Rob Woolley: it is really hard to find an analogy, you know, to be perfectly honest, because Yeah, they, they’re selling passports to a, a sports game.

[01:52:25] Rob Woolley: Two people who, who aren’t interested in that sports game. Exactly.

[01:52:29] Danny de Hek: Right. Yeah. And it should be young people, not these old fans. Yeah.

[01:52:33] Rob Woolley: Like, like has gonna said, Hey, you know, like you can get involved in HyperNation become part of the community. Right. And, and when we open the MetaVerse, you’re all gonna be in it.

[01:52:43] Rob Woolley: But they never say, Are you interested in actually being like in the me? Cause I, I’d Have you ever heard that?

[01:52:51] Danny de Hek: No. No. I never No, I’ve never heard that. No. And the thing is that these guys that are selling it are taking the money out. That they’re theoretically, that they’re cashing up now Yeah. For something they’re selling that’s in the future.

[01:53:01] Danny de Hek: Yeah. So if they’re cashing, taking the money out now, then they don’t obviously believe that the future dream of the MetaVerse, they’re just making money.

[01:53:08] Rob Woolley: If, if, if there’s MetaVerse and, and buying virtual land and putting virtual shops and having an avatar of who, who you are, you know, walking around, interacting, whatever it is, If that’s the product, where’s their money coming from right now to pay all the rewards?

[01:53:28] Danny de Hek: Yeah. They got a left. No.

[01:53:30] Rob Woolley: Well, that’s their product. Yeah. The s the MetaVerse hasn’t been created yet. Right. So what, what are they doing right now to earn any

[01:53:39] Danny de Hek: money? Yeah, they’re just, they’re just installing as a whole nine yards. There is one other aspect which horrifies me well, I think that’s the

[01:53:47] Rob Woolley: definition of the Ponzi scheme.

[01:53:49] Rob Woolley: Right. That Charles Ponzi never invested. The money that he took

[01:53:54] Danny de Hek: in never invested the money he took in, right? Yes.

[01:53:57] Rob Woolley: He, he took the money in, but he never invested it. He said he was gonna invest it. Yeah. Right. But he never invested it. Right. Right. Now, all these people seemingly are taking money in. We have.

[01:54:10] Rob Woolley: They invested it.

[01:54:11] Danny de Hek: Yeah.

[01:54:13] Rob Woolley: Well, we, we can’t see anything. Right. We can’t see anybody that they’ve employed. Mm-hmm. . We can’t see anybody who’s earning any wages. We can’t see any, any, We can’t see the ves. Well, what what you can see arguably are those like cartoonlike videos of, you know, people walking along and there’s, you know, like the Universal,

[01:54:38] Danny de Hek: They’ve got a new graphic service.

[01:54:40] Danny de Hek: That’s what they’ve done,

[01:54:41] Rob Woolley: whatever it is. Cause the graphics get better. It’s supposed to be a thousand developers. The billboard. Is that where the money is gone on the videos?

[01:54:47] Danny de Hek: I don’t, but don’t about the founders. This is the thing we haven’t just talked about yet. The what? The founders. The founders. Well, Sam Ryan Zoo.

[01:54:55] Danny de Hek: He’s a legend. Did you know that In 19 2020. Ryan J took a job that paid $120,000 a year.

[01:55:03] Rob Woolley: Could we? Well, not personally, but I did hear that. Yeah. And

[01:55:06] Danny de Hek: I think from you, he worked there for six months. . And why would a Bilinear go work in some other company? I think it was 21, I’m pretty sure. Cause it was Vinny from Project Frugal, he found the article and he found the actual ledger of him being working in this company.

[01:55:20] Danny de Hek: The other one, which is really interesting, which I really need to emphasize on this one, is with HyperVerse, I went to create an account and when I went to create the account, they asked me for an affiliate ID and I just made up something and I created an account.

[01:55:34] Rob Woolley: Okay. Right. The affiliate ID is the person in your upline.

[01:55:37] Danny de Hek: Yes. And the one that you create an account. With the ID now. Oh, and I’ve got another thing. You mind me, ask me about stable day on a second. Right. I’ll just get this off my chest. With HyperNation, you can’t actually get in there unless you buy one of those NFTs. Yeah. So I can’t go in there as Danny De here and have a nose.

[01:55:55] Danny de Hek: Nose.

[01:55:56] Rob Woolley: Can you do that with a green box?

[01:55:59] Danny de Hek: I still need to buy the green box.

[01:56:02] Rob Woolley: If you get the green box. Do you, do you need an

[01:56:08] Danny de Hek: No, you don’t. Cause you go to, you don’t see something. I’ve forgot what it is. Some you’re talking about that other, So this is the billboard. . I wish I knew it was C something. It’s called C something.

[01:56:19] Danny de Hek: I’ve heard that. And basically this is what the billboards are doing. That’s why I’m a bit alarmed. Cause the billboards are advertising that people can buy these NFTs. They look at it and think, Oh, it looks really cool. And then they see all the hype and the fun of it, the game side of it. Cause Mr. H is basically a game player.

[01:56:32] Danny de Hek: Mm-hmm. . And people are looking at him as a, you know, just like you would have if you watch a game, Women in the games. But if you watch them, you can see a lot of parallels. And the virtual city that you see on HyperNation is actually, I found that a game that looked like they used it to build the bizarre.

[01:56:50] Danny de Hek: So this picture behind us is a movie and it was used, right. But they have actually found a game that allows you to build a virtual city. They’ve built a virtual city, recorded it as a video, and now they’re using it as their backdrop as to what the city looks like. But it’s from a game. So when I look at Mr.

[01:57:06] Danny de Hek: H coming on and doing his talks, it seems to be appealing to the 25 to 35 year old market that’s been playing games since leaving school and should have got a job but stayed at home. They are the ones that are probably gonna buy these NFTs. Then they get into this the HyperNation and they can buy a membership where they can take a

[01:57:23] Rob Woolley: risk.

[01:57:24] Rob Woolley: Well the interesting thing there is that I think it was on that video where Mark Zuckerberg was talking about the MetaVerse, that people were saying, Well, there’s already meta versus. I didn’t know that. In the game market. Yeah. Yeah. And, and roadblocks, you know what my daughter, you know, like is in, is considered MetaVerse, cuz you can go in there and you can buy materials and things.

[01:57:49] Rob Woolley: You know, I, I dunno what they are. And you can build stuff and they already exists. Right, Right. So this is the interesting thing. Well

[01:57:56] Danny de Hek: this picture here is actually from that game I was talking about. Okay. And this is if I, if this plays through, you’ll see that it’s if I get to the right part, I think it’s gonna move in a minute.

[01:58:09] Rob Woolley: Was that the thing? It’s got a teleporter there that looks pretty

[01:58:12] Danny de Hek: good related to Star Trek. So this will soon go off to a moon and you’ll see them building it in real time. And this is the closest I sort of got to thinking, Oh my god, that’s I’ve seen something. Cause they had the crater of the moon was empty and the crater that they were using was the same except they had different buildings.

[01:58:31] Danny de Hek: And I thought, did they go into the moon? Now let’s go, Let’s, let me take you, Here we go. Let me take you to the EcoSystem. Unless it loops. It loops. I lie. Oh, don’t crash. Oh yeah. So now we’re off a virtual city. My

[01:58:44] Rob Woolley: name is Captain Ick and we are flying at approximately 1000 feet.

[01:58:49] Danny de Hek: Yeah. And we should have nighttime come to us.

[01:58:51] Danny de Hek: I think we’re going to the yacht club. , I think,

[01:58:54] Rob Woolley: oh my God. Who, who, who, where they get their

[01:58:58] Danny de Hek: license and now we should

[01:58:59] Rob Woolley: see a move. A lot of generic buildings in there. I have to say the

[01:59:04] Danny de Hek: same roofs. Yeah. They’re all the same. Yeah. Yeah. But when you see something like this, and this is people saying this is the EcoSystem, and then you think, Hold on a minute, this is a game.

[01:59:15] Danny de Hek: And they’re using the imagery out, out of it to entice you to get involved in it.

[01:59:20] Rob Woolley: Well, a lot of these games are MetaVerses, aren’t they? Yeah. Which, which begs the question, ladies and gentlemen, if you were investing in this, a lot of these people that are your potential customers are already in a MetaVerse.

[01:59:35] Rob Woolley: Yeah. They’re, they’re in a MetaVerse related to a game that is of interest to them, and all of their friends are in there. They live in their neighborhood. Like, like their MetaVerse has already been created. If HyperNation Right, create one, why would they go there, You know? Right. They might go to Facebook’s near verse, cuz that’s gonna be huge and that’ll be linked into Facebook and, you know, All of the social media.

[02:00:04] Danny de Hek: I still wanna see the moon mate. I have to do that clicking. You understand that one? I still, this must be jam, but this, I think this could be a long video. Hope it’s got no sound. Cause in the background it’ll be playing the sound and it’ll be coming through. But and they won’t be able to hear us talking.

[02:00:16] Danny de Hek: You know what I’m saying? So it’s quite funny. Oh yeah, no, we’re going back. I might find another one that the hoover then. Yeah. No, I’m gonna find the other one if I’ve got it here somewhere. That’s the old MetaVerse that’s the HyperNation, that’s actually the backdrop of the, Now

[02:00:28] Rob Woolley: that one there didn’t impress me at all because if you watch it, it just repeats itself over and over.

[02:00:34] Rob Woolley: Right, right. So that’s a kind of a low tech one. Oh, where is it? I site this in case you’re watching this. A lot of these buildings are generic. You see, it just repeats itself. It’s a bit fishy, I’ll

[02:00:46] Danny de Hek: tell you that. Oh, lordy. Yeah. Yeah. But no, these guys are just clever hackers. Really? See what I’m doing now?

[02:00:53] Danny de Hek: I haven’t.

[02:00:54] Rob Woolley: Well you gotta say they’re pretty clever, don’t you? The crime scene? Yeah. Like realistically.

[02:00:59] Danny de Hek: Yeah. No, I haven’t got the other video. I thought I did have it here. But I don’t, but I wonder if it’s that one there. Popping squares. What’s that? Popping squares. I How boring that, that must have been like one of the default ones.

[02:01:10] Danny de Hek: But that’s the MetaVerse there. So any,

[02:01:13] Rob Woolley: anyway, I want to ask you a few questions. So for example, I’ll

[02:01:17] Danny de Hek: go back to our, what we do know, that other theme,

[02:01:20] Rob Woolley: have you been watching the leadership meetings recently? The

[02:01:24] Danny de Hek: last few weeks? Oh, well I’ll tell you what, I’ve actually, what I’m finding a problem is, is actually quite demoralizing watching them.

[02:01:31] Danny de Hek: And I’ve come up with a clean way of doing it. Because I don’t want to use their content. I want to create my own stuff. Yep. And I’ve got all these roadblocks at the moment. So what I thought I would do, I use a program called Script. I was gonna grab their video, drop it into script, have the whole script written out there, especially Brenda Chando, cuz people are complaining about the bullshit that’s coming outta the mouth at the moment.

[02:01:48] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Then I’m gonna have a script, and then I’m gonna listen to the script. Cause I’m, I’m dyslexic, so I’m gonna listen to the script and cut out all the paragraphs that mean nothing. And when she makes all these statements, you know, like one of the statements she made today that I heard of was that HyperVerse was a victim and they got victim by people creating multiple accounts.

[02:02:08] Danny de Hek: And these people didn’t just create model countries were, you know, and I’m going, Oh my God. So I’m listening to that thing I wanna say, so I’m gonna listen. And then she’s other things that she said, I’ve got about six main points that she said that the rewards have been paid. So now they’re telling people that HyperVerse, they’ve done the right thing to the people and they are paying out the rewards.

[02:02:29] Danny de Hek: And I’m going, what rewards? Where’s the money? And they’re talking about hype. . So they adopt these philosophies and tell people that Hyper bond is actually the payment, but you can only use Hyper bond to get yourself into the next Ponzi scheme. Mm-hmm. . So I’m sitting there thinking I wanna say this. I mean, I don’t wanna sit there and do these, like, this is, we’ve been here for two hours, mate.

[02:02:47] Danny de Hek: It feels like it. Yeah.

[02:02:49] Rob Woolley: I think we need to, I think I’ve lost like 1.78. Yes. It’s pretty hard. 5g. So

[02:02:54] Danny de Hek: I used to do these videos for five hours. I know. And you used to go for your walks because Rob does walks and he listened to my podcast and I’d say, Rob, I lost a lot

[02:03:04] Rob Woolley: more weight when I was listening to Danny’s video

[02:03:07] Rob Woolley: So I was Lan

[02:03:09] Danny de Hek: So if you asked all listen to this, Rob and I are doing this thing on Monday nights called Think Tank. And it’s basically we’ve grown it slowly, but there’s just a handful of people that want to be motivated. It’s not all about Ponzi schemes, but one thing we’ve been working on at the moment is encouraging people to do 10,000 steps a day.

[02:03:24] Danny de Hek: And Rob’s done that for quite a long time. And we’ve got Dave accountable, Dave, he’s been doing it for a long time. I’ve just started Helling, my partners doing it. And we’ve got a young lady coming on tomorrow night as well, which I met, who rang up to buy one of my drop shipping businesses. It was Monday, tomorrow, isn’t it?

[02:03:39] Danny de Hek: Yeah. And I said to her, Oh, come on to think Tank. And it’s, it’s quite a nice thing to be part of, but it’s just a general chat with people. That think a bit different, who want a bit of encouragement with motivation. And I think that’s where I want to take this journey. I don’t want to sit there with this negative stuff.

[02:03:54] Danny de Hek: I, even though I’m saving people from Ponzi schemes, it does my frigging head five hours of

[02:03:59] Rob Woolley: negativity. I, I think, I think that sweating what you are thinking of doing is the good thing. I think. Look, there’s an opportunity out there, right? For anybody who’s, who’s involved, who, who’s involved to listen to Danny’s videos, understand where he’s coming from, and then go back to your teams and ask those questions.

[02:04:25] Rob Woolley: And you know, like, and, and if you get answers or even if you don’t get answers, come back and put them as comments on Danny’s video so that anybody who’s watching his video, Danny himself, you know, can learn, you know, what the answers are. So that if, if these are Ponzi schemes, right, it’s gonna get highlighted.

[02:04:48] Rob Woolley: If they’re not Ponzi schemes, hey, you like, woohoo, you know, let’s get a hundred million other people involved.

[02:04:55] Danny de Hek: The the one with the Hyper Dayo, which is Sam Lee’s new baby, right? Mm-hmm. , he they had an address, Hyper Day or Stable, Stable Dayo. They had an address on the bottom of their company office.

[02:05:05] Danny de Hek: I found that company office and it was Regs, a shared office space. Oh, like that other one. The very next day I went there and they changed it to a Japanese. And it was another reg’s address. Then I went to their Facebook page and you can go to page transparency and you can see normally it tells you who the admins are and what country they’re from.

[02:05:27] Danny de Hek: Okay. It didn’t have any admins. I’m sitting there going, they always have admin. Have a look at any Facebook page. Yeah. Look at the page. Transparency. And that’s if you’re looking at these Ponzi schemes. Cause I’d love to do a whole lot of key identifiers. I’ve had to know it’s a Ponzi scheme. Obviously phone numbers never on the website.

[02:05:45] Danny de Hek: It’s often crypto only always have membership plans, unrealistic rewards. And basically I’ve narrow it all down to two things. If it’s got crypto plus MLM equals scam, boom, done. It’s how simple it is. But you know, sometimes you think, Oh boy God, how much time and energy, how much convincing do I need?

[02:06:07] Danny de Hek: And people are still emailing me every single day asking me if this one is a Ponzi scheme. And I said just all of them that have crypto MLM are scams industry. I

[02:06:18] Rob Woolley: I, I get really confused how, how, yeah. Like there’s so many people involved and there’s so many people involved at various levels. I I, I just get really confused why they’re not telling you how wrong you are.

[02:06:33] Rob Woolley: Yeah, why, why they’re not coming on onto the videos emailing you, leaving comments or whatever and, and, and dissecting all of the points that you make and say, You are wrong on this point because of this. You are wrong on this point because of this. Because that’s what I would be doing. You know, like if, if I was involved in anything and I believed it and, and I, I knew about it and someone is being highly critical, I would go and break them down.

[02:07:04] Rob Woolley: I, I’d say, you know, like, you are making these points, you know, you can’t back that up. You know, you are wrong because of A, B, and C, blah, blah, blah. You know, So this is the whole thing. If you are out there and you think that Danny’s full of beep , then go and tell him on those comments, point out where he’s made his mistake.

[02:07:25] Rob Woolley: Maybe point out where on the video he said such and such, you know? Right. And then everybody can listen to what he actually said and say this, this is the rebut. . Oh,

[02:07:37] Danny de Hek: there they won’t. But we’re not getting there. No, we’re not. And the funny thing is on the, the, the, the, what I call the congratulations speech, when Keith Williams thought he is knighted by the king, and he was sitting there telling everyone that he’s you know, sitting there telling everyone that he’s overwhelmed with the fact that he’s being appointed the global sales, whatever, what’s absolutely, what wasn’t that all about?

[02:07:59] Danny de Hek: Well, he’s just got, he’s now the sale, the global sales representative for HyperNation. And I’m going,

[02:08:06] Rob Woolley: he, he’s been made something by someone we don’t know. He doesn’t know to do some work that we don’t know what it is. Yeah.

[02:08:15] Danny de Hek: And then, and then, then they said there’s more announcements coming out over the next few weeks that people will be surprised with.

[02:08:22] Danny de Hek: So what did they announce? Are the sales representative Brenda Ch Clayton Ford I think might have been another guy. Right. And now mini, mini Keith and I, and then

[02:08:33] Rob Woolley: of

[02:08:34] Danny de Hek: know these little nodding dolls. And then they start talking about how the platform this and the platform that, and I’m thinking, oh, they’re talking about the platform.

[02:08:41] Danny de Hek: So to me it’s like a piece of software. Obviously they, it’s a website and it’s got a database of people and they’re watching it and Keith will often say, Oh, you’re a v i P five. And one couple that come on once they were responsible for bringing in 24 million to HyperVerse and they have I’ve forgotten how many, 2000 people in their team.

[02:09:00] Danny de Hek: And I’m going, Well, how do you get that? if you had just Joe blogs like me who decided to promote it to you and you went and told your fan club three people and and then I got Rich from it, then all of a sudden corporate theoretical corporate is now telling me all the figures that these guys are bringing in.

[02:09:17] Danny de Hek: How does he keep track of all that? Why

[02:09:20] Rob Woolley: would corporate be telling anybody? Well, they wouldn’t ah,

[02:09:23] Danny de Hek: they’re no privacy. And this is why I think HyperNation will get traction is because it’s hidden behind an NFT. You have to get in, no one can get in there and see this. Now it’s like a secret community of people and they’re telling them when they find out all the bumps, but, and every time somebody’s and I think what they were gonna be doing now is I think that Keith will buy the program or the software or the platform and he will be the new owner of it.

[02:09:49] Danny de Hek: Because if you’ve got Stable deo, you’ve got Sam Lee running that as an independent. There was rumor that Sam Lee was gonna go off and start up Hyper one and then they produced all these photos of him in a penthouse. And I looked at the timestamps and they were taken in 2018 and I’m going, Come on guys.

[02:10:05] Danny de Hek: Look. And that never happened. But now he’s come out and he’s done stable Deo, he’s doing that now. You’ve got Nova Tech and they’ve got this religious minister, crazy lady, which I put a star David on the forehead. She is running it with her husband. These two people that are running that Nova Tech have gone bankrupt.

[02:10:24] Danny de Hek: And then you’ve got Super one and Andrea. Now that’s another Ponzi scheme. He’s got a face to the name. And then you’ve got dumb old Mr. H who’s theoretically running HyperNation. And then all of a sudden they appoint all these sales leaders teams. I reckon the next natural step will be that Keith will be saying, we are taking over.

[02:10:46] Danny de Hek: We don’t like the way that HyperNation, which is Mr. H and his clon and his film crew are running it. And we’ve decided that we’re gonna buy it and do it properly. And it’ll be called HyperKeith . But you know, I think that’s, I think that’s where it’s going. If they can keep this going long enough. Oh, and that’s why when they saw that these guys, the, you know, the David what those Troy Marcus and they saw they had 5,000 people in a Zoom meeting.

[02:11:17] Danny de Hek: They freaked out because 5,000 people in a Zoom meeting and they’re getting 2000 in their meetings and it’s meant to be 1.5 million people associated with we. Why is at a 1.5 people have signed up for these accounts? Why is there only 2000 people in these leadership meetings and now they’re telling people that if they’re not signed into HyperNation every day and they’re not contributing by being involved on the social media.

[02:11:42] Danny de Hek: So the next thing I’m watching,

[02:11:45] Rob Woolley: you know and remember with that Those people needing to sign in. Of course, that’s what you would need to do if you were the community for a MetaVerse that you are trying to sell at some stage. You, you would need a community that’s actually logged in active. Yeah.

[02:12:01] Danny de Hek: A lot of the times as well.

[02:12:02] Danny de Hek: Is that like Elon Musk buying Twitter and then realizing there’s all these fake accounts so that he bought so many million accounts and then he wants to know how many of these people were active? Yeah. Well, I

[02:12:11] Rob Woolley: don’t, I thinks part, part of the $8 a month verification is that he, he was saying is that if people were verified, you, you, you, you’d be pretty sure that most, the vast majority of the people that are verified are real people.

[02:12:31] Rob Woolley: Mm-hmm. . Because if, if you were creating bots and only verified people, you know, like can do whatever the bots are doing mm-hmm. right Then nobody who is behind the bots would be paying $8 every month. You know, like for all of their thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds, thousands, millions of bots because it would be costing them fortune.

[02:12:52] Danny de Hek: It’s like Gmail and YouTube. I get all these fake posts every day, 50 of them, and I’m deleting them manually. I went back, got on support with YouTube and said, Eh, I’m getting all these stupid Instagram, we can get you money back. Ah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I’m deleting them, deleting them, deleting them, and they, Oh, you can block them and go, Well, I’m blocking 50 of them a day.

[02:13:10] Danny de Hek: People light out these accounts. So if you know how many followers are, you know, you have to have a YouTube account, you have to have a Gmail account, and then you have a YouTube account,

[02:13:18] Rob Woolley: and it’s like, Oh. That is, is is one of the things that I notice that if you go into Facebook mm-hmm. , and you comment on any of these HyperPages, you’ll get, you’ll get all these people that are coming in with links to telegram accounts and all those, you know, like to sell you something else.

[02:13:36] Rob Woolley: You know, Like it’s, Yeah. Like, it’s kind of like you’re walking in and there’s fleas jumping on you, you know, you, Cause that’s what it feels like. And all, all of this, any social media to do with any, any of this stuff, all these people coming in and they’re either trying to sell you another scheme or they’re trying to sell you a way to be able to get your money out a HyperVerse that you couldn’t get it out.

[02:14:01] Rob Woolley: And there’s, and

[02:14:02] Danny de Hek: you, this is an interesting one. I pay for YouTube. I know you probably don’t. You put up my ads.

[02:14:09] Rob Woolley: No, I do now. I do.

[02:14:11] Danny de Hek: Right? I do. So why?

[02:14:14] Rob Woolley: Well, the funny thing was I’ve paid for it for two months. Yeah. And now I watched less YouTube.

[02:14:22] Danny de Hek: Yeah. Cause I’m thinking, sorry, I don’t,

[02:14:24] Rob Woolley: I dunno that that’s related.

[02:14:27] Rob Woolley: I’m watching

[02:14:27] Danny de Hek: less. Why I pay for YouTube is cause when I was doing a re bundle over, I dunno if that’s the right word, is it over a video? The ads would come up. And so with paint you get rid of the ads. So let’s say Facebook decided to say, Look, if you pay $10 a month, then there’s gonna be no adverts.

[02:14:44] Danny de Hek: Wouldn’t that be worth the investment in time? Because the adverts that you’re scrolling through and you, you know, and I think what Elon’s doing with Twitter is actually feasible. That if you pay Twitter a monthly fee, so my YouTube channel get a little bit of money from it and I get a little bit of money from the people that pay who watch.

[02:15:03] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Yeah. The premium view viewers very, very little. Like one was saying, what a lot of people were saying though is that it’s very difficult to charge for anything that used to be free. Yeah. And, and to be a, a standard user on Twitter used to be free. Mm-hmm. . And usually the people that were verified were only the ones that had some kind of standing in the community.

[02:15:28] Rob Woolley: Like they’re an actor or, Yeah.

[02:15:30] Danny de Hek: Or one of my mates has got it and it’s not fair, but it’s, I got therapy .

[02:15:34] Rob Woolley: Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I think like, it’s an interesting one. Ads, ads drive the internet and I don’t necessarily like watching ads, but I don’t. that I want to keep paying YouTube to not see ads. You know what I mean?

[02:15:50] Rob Woolley: You know? Yeah.

[02:15:51] Danny de Hek: There has to be something else. I mean, I think I don’t know. I’m on 20 different social media platforms, you know anything from Tumblr, Twitch you know blogger, you know, anything that’s a platform and I, I basically, when I post a blog on my website, it goes to all those platforms and I believe that builds my bigger footprint for my website and then it gives my website more credibility cuz it’s linked into more platforms.

[02:16:16] Danny de Hek: That’s the only reason I do it. I don’t, I don’t spend any time on Tumblr, but every single blog that I’ve posted gets to be on Timber. And so then I’m thinking, well, when Google Index goes through and says, Oh, he is got, I actually think I’ve got 150,000 back links to tech.com and I think that’s why I get it,

[02:16:33] Rob Woolley: the traffic, if you, if you had a look at, at what they are supposedly doing with HyperNation mm-hmm.

[02:16:40] Rob Woolley: if, if, if HyperNation the MetaVerse was going Yeah. Like if it was going now, if it, if it was functioning, if you could log in, if you could put on your headset, you could immerse yourself. You could buy property, you could trade, you could do, if that was going now this would make sense. Mm-hmm. up to what Well, but what did that arguably make sense to a certain clientele over fifties arguably makes sense.

[02:17:10] Rob Woolley: But the funny thing is, is that when, when you look at this, people are pay paying people aren’t, because it’s not an investment. That’s right. People are paying to be part, to get a passport, to be on the MetaVerse that they’re never going to be in. People do that. They can’t be in it now and all of this other stuff.

[02:17:42] Rob Woolley: Whereas you turn it around the other way, the people that you are, you are investing or giving your money to as a membership, right, are taking your money and then they’re paying you supposedly multiples of your membership back to do nothing , because there’s nothing for you to do because there’s no MetaVerse for you to be in and populate.

[02:18:09] Danny de Hek: But there’s not going on holiday, isn’t it? You go to the travel agent and they go, Look, we we’re gonna, we’ve got a new country you can go visit. What type of country would you like to be? Well, I like third world traveling. Well, this one’s got everything you could ever dream of. Give us your passport, give us your money and we’ll let you know when the country’s ready.

[02:18:25] Danny de Hek: Yeah. ,

[02:18:26] Rob Woolley: I, it’s a bit like booths, isn’t it? Like we haven’t the farms up yet. We haven’t built, you know, like the house on the top of the cliff. Yeah. But. . It is interesting that they’re, I’m just trying to think of an analogy. There must be an analogy that you are, you are paying a customer to turn up. It’s, it’s like when they open a new nightclub mm-hmm.

[02:18:52] Rob Woolley: and, and they pay people to actually stand in line. Have you heard that? I haven’t. I haven’t used to pay people to stand in line. So this new nightclub looked really, really popular. Mm-hmm. , And of course they tell the bouncers, you know, like, we don’t want you to let everybody in. Yeah. Like, we don’t want you to let everybody in.

[02:19:13] Rob Woolley: We want at least 20 people. lined up outside so that everybody walking along, you know, having a look at, you know, what night club they and that works. Oh, everybody there. And then you’re in line, You’re in line. You’re like, you’re 20 back and you’re, and you’re thinking never been here before, but it looks like really popular.

[02:19:34] Rob Woolley: You know, and when you inch forward and now you’re 15 back and 12 and 10, and then you get in and there’s no one there, . They’re the only people that were, there were the 20 people that we were here to you that got in.

[02:19:48] Danny de Hek: Well that’s some we haven’t talked about. Because these Zoom meetings that they do are shocking.

[02:19:52] Danny de Hek: They say they have a thousand people in there, and I’ve watched so many of them. It’s not funny. Or probably watched a hundred of them. They basically have a thousand people in there and then they have a question and answer the same people. Yep. Ten first, 10 people. Everyone saying how wonderful it was.

[02:20:05] Danny de Hek: And it was great. And it’s fantastic and it’s great. And especially that guy, Hyper, whatever his name is, the guy that lives at home with his mum Hyper. Yeah. And yeah, HyperDriver, whatever his name is. And he’s an Uber driver for a real life anyway, so, and then you know, five people that haven’t been on before get on there and they ask about, how do I withdraw my money?

[02:20:22] Danny de Hek: And they cut them off, you know, , we don’t want negative questions here.

[02:20:27] Rob Woolley: And I, I really do think that, you know these videos, other people doing these videos those people that are on those meetings that are asking the difficult questions, That’s, that’s an opportunity. Mm. That’s an opportunity. You know, any, any legitimate business would, would take that opportunity to say, Hey, you know, we can allay all of these fears.

[02:20:54] Rob Woolley: We, we can answer all these questions. Mm. Like we know all the answers. There’s a straightforward answer and here it is. So this is the opportunity down in the comment section below.

[02:21:05] Danny de Hek: Educate. I reckon what we should do here is we should finish it here at two hours and 25 minutes. And this is gonna actually be a good video cuz originally we did this video for you, right?

[02:21:14] Rob Woolley: No, we did it for you.

[02:21:17] Danny de Hek: Okay. Oh my god. Another long haul video. I’m gonna get so much criticism people, but I love these videos and I dunno about timestamps in this one. Cause I dunno, I think No, just let it ride. Yeah. Now this is what you call, I’m driving on a holiday and you’re gonna listen to Danny and the, your name’s not Rob.

[02:21:36] Danny de Hek: No. And this is something you can listen to about HyperVerse. So if you’re thinking about getting involved in a Ponzi, Craig.

[02:21:42] Rob Woolley: Craig, I’m

[02:21:43] Danny de Hek: from Australia. Oh, Aussie. Bloody Aussie. So this, if you think about getting involved in Ponzi schemes and you’ve got any questions, you wanna know anything about it, then reach out to us.

[02:21:51] Danny de Hek: Ask us any of those silly questions that you too embarrassed about a Danny. Yeah. Right. Okay, so I’m gonna stop it here. And this is being Danny and Rob and I don’t even know how this conversation started. Craig. Craig robbed. Craig. Craig got robbed. Okay. You’re too scared to put this on. You’re on YouTube.

[02:22:08] Danny de Hek: Absolutely. Oh, this is brilliant. Is it because of the background? No. Is it? No, it’s all yours. All right. So what we’re gonna do, if you’re gonna go back to the start, I’m not famous. You’re famous, mate. You friend of mine knows me. People are gonna say, Who does Danny? Like, you know, I don’t know if you’ve heard of Dizzy Taylor when I was talking.

[02:22:26] Danny de Hek: T been a non dizzy tailor. No. Dizzy. Taylor is Cal P’S Patel’s best friend. And if you want to find out anything that Calpec Patel was doing, and Dizzy used to be a hairdresser, and then he got involved in, he’d be no good to me. So I, when I was stalking Calpec Patel, I used to just go to Dizzy’s Facebook page.

[02:22:46] Danny de Hek: Oh. Which is, he has it all public and find out what Cal PE was up to. It was brilliant. But anyway, we’re gonna do an introduction to this two hour and 27 minute. Where, where are you looking? Down there? Yeah. So that’s it’s good night from me. And it’s good night for him. It’s good night from him. Yeah.

[02:23:02] Danny de Hek: So there you go. That’s us. So thank you for watching. Remember hit the bell. Ding, ding, ding, ding. And subscribe and Oh, and like, and that will tell YouTube that you and people tell me these long videos don’t work. I got a lady, a guy, They shouldn’t work. They shouldn’t work. I won’t listen to it.

[02:23:18] Danny de Hek: The average watch

[02:23:20] Rob Woolley: time. And you listen to any of

[02:23:22] Danny de Hek: this? Yeah, no. Well listen to you. The average watch time for a video this long is nine. Yeah, it used to be six minutes. So if you’ve listened to this for than nine minutes, you need to reach out and get help. Yeah. Okay. And don’t ask

[02:23:37] Rob Woolley: Mark, Danny will have, have help on his next video about how to cure you from watching his videos.

[02:23:44] Danny de Hek: No. Cool. All right, So it’s good night and sign over. Good morning and thank you Beautiful people. How’s to, Love Is

[02:23:50] Rob Woolley: baby. Okay.